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Archives of this page are [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Claude_T/Archive1 here (2007-2010)], [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Claude_T/Archive2 here (2010-2012)] and [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Claude_T/Archive3 here (2012-2013)].
Archives of this page are [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Claude_T/Archive1 here (2007-2010)], [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Claude_T/Archive2 here (2010-2012)], [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Claude_T/Archive3 here (2012-2013)], [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Claude_T/Archive4 here (2014-2015)], [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Claude_T/Archive5 here (2015-2016)]  and [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Claude_T/Archive6 here (2017-2019)].


== Recalling information for non-withdrawn editions? ==
== New edition not showing up / thanks for the redirect ==


Hi Claude. I see you have been at work moving information from the Edition: records back to score pages.  Has this been discussed among Admins and a decision taken to do this?  If so, I have apparently been left in the dark on this matter and would like to know what the reasoning behind this decision has been.  Thanks!! &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 18:47, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi Claude, thanks for the redirect on my user page (and for bumping my edition of [[As Vesta was from Latmos hill descending (Thomas Weelkes)|As Vesta was]] to the top of the page for chronological ordering--I'll be sure to do that next time).
:Hi, Chuck. There has been no group discussion. My reasoning follows: 1. The informations restored on works pages for not-withdrawn editions stay on their Edition:CPDL nnnn respective page. 2. I remember that more than one admin regret, somewhere in the forums, what we did you and me in 2012: extracting information from work pages to edition pages. You answered there that it was only for withdrawn editions. 3. Recently, someone removed all withdrawn Edward Tambling's editions from works pages after a discussion on the forums. 4. More recently even, I realized that, for modified work titles (adding Purcell's Z number, for example) the Edition:CPDL nnnn pages were *NOT* actualized, breaking so the links between works pages and corresponding extracted editions. 5. Lastly, you could imagine it's difficult to get reliable statistics when more than 20,000 editions stay on their respective works pages but 468 are extracted on individual edition pages, 200 withdrawn and 268 not withdrawn. There are also many withdrawn editions (for copyright reasons or by other editors than Edward Tambling) that were *NOT* extracted to an individual Edition:CPDL page. Do you think this is optimal? [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 19:43, 21 December 2014 (UTC)


== LilyPond to {{CiteTemp|Ly|br=}} to Lilypond? ==
I see my new edition listed when I view [[As Vesta was from Latmos hill descending (Thomas Weelkes)|As Vesta was]] while signed in, but not otherwise. Is this normal? Am I missing something?


Hi Claude.  First we had "LilyPond" as the (correct) name for the link to the source code for LilyPond (.ly) files.  Then it was changed (by you) to {{CiteTemp|Ly|br=}} which provided a LilyPond icon link that anyone could see (by checking the Legend) what the icon means.  And now, you've gone and changed these to "Lilypond" (which is wrongly spelled, since it is supposed to be "LilyPond").  I fail to see why you think it is necessary to do this.  Granted, I made a mistake changing "Finale 20xx" links to a generic Finale icon link, but we don't have the problem with version numbers being part of the link for LilyPond files.  If you want to keep the principle of your latest change, then at least it should be corrected from "Lilypond" to "LilyPond" (which I will do).  When I goofed previously with the Finale file links, I believe I was asked to discuss any such changes I was likely to make with other Admins before taking such action, and it seems that perhaps your agenda for making the LilyPond changes should also be discussed first.  It is not easy for individual Admins to work on their own projects and have purposes for doing so that other Admins are unaware of.  We need more communication and agreement, don't you think?  Best wishes for Christmas and the New Year, and thanks for your diligent work. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 18:17, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks!<br>
[[User:Maia.mcc|Maia.mcc]] ([[User talk:Maia.mcc|talk]]) 04:12, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
:You're welcome, Maïa! Recent changes are seen only when connected (logged in). But after a few hours, perhaps a day or so, they remain seeable by anybody.


:You're right, Chuck, more communication is always better. But in this precise case the reason was difficult to explain in a language that is not my native language: to obtain statistics about links, I need to notice if links are in a group beginning with {{L ({{Llink or {{LinkW groups) or [{{filepath links. You can easily understand on what side will a {{Ly string fall. BTW, are you Ok if I revert the changes concerning MUS files/icon?  Do you know that there are other MUS files than from Finale? A happy new year to you and your relatives. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 22:47, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
:By the way, we use to add, as a source file, an MXL (compressed musicXML) file with each edition. The reason for that is to be more user-friendly for the users who don't have the same notation software as the editor. If they have a recent software, they can open such file, to adapt the pitch to their choir abilities, to make rehearsal files, etc. You may add any file to your edition clicking on 'Upload a file' in the left pane of any CPDL page, under 'Tools'. You'll also, next time, be able to add an MXL file in lieu of the Sibelius one through the AddWork form. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 06:45, 23 December 2019 (UTC)


::Hi Claude. Thanks for your speedy reply; already, I have changed "Lilypond" to "LilyPond" to get the correct form of the program name.  And now I understand your concern, but I wonder: Wouldn't it have been simpler to change <nowiki>{{Ly}}</nowiki> to <nowiki>{{ly}}</nowiki>, thus preserving the icon as a link?  {{CiteTemp|ly|br=}} still calls the same template as {{CiteTemp|Ly|br=}}.  As for changing the icon {{CiteTemp|mus|br=}} link for Finale files back to Finale 20xx links, I'm in the process of doing it, being careful to change only those that were associated to Finale source files originally. Many thanks for your explanation.  If your statistics gathering can work with "ly" instead of "Ly" then we can go ahead and replace the "LilyPond" links with <nowiki>{{ly}}</nowiki>. Health and happiness in the New Year to you and your relatives. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 23:42, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
== Michael Praetorius - Quem pastores laudavere a 4 ==
:::Thank you for your help, Chuck, I'll use the lower-case trick. Remember I asked on forums before uncapitalizing English 'incipit' titles ;-) [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 07:43, 27 December 2014 (UTC)


== O Sanctissima (Angelina Figus) ==
Hi Claude,


Hi Claude, regarding this [[O Sanctissima (Angelina Figus)]], on the same day that that page was created, you added a cleanup notice informing that "''No 'Music files' section, AddWork form not used->page to be deleted''". However, Angelina had filled out the Add Work file correctly, as can be seen in the logs; she probably only made a confusion during the copy/paste process. Anyway, her edition was moved to [[O Sanctissima (Traditional)]], where it belongs. :) Best, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 05:34, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
there is an existing page of [[Quem pastores laudavere a 4 (Michael Praetorius)]], which first edition claims to be from [[Musae Sioniae, fünffter Theil (Michael Praetorius)]], but the page is not linked to this publication. The two other publications on this page are similar but different, and all three are not any version from "Musae Sioniae V". (In "Musae Sioniae" the numbers 88, 89 and 90 are "Quem pastores a 4", but with different extras).
: Hi, Carlos. 1. Before deletion, page had no link/file, isn't it? 2. "as can be seen in the logs": I use to see the 'Recent Changes' page and subsequently new pages, but not upload logs. Where are they? [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 08:44, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


::Hi Claude, I supposed that you also received by email a copy of the submissions made via the Add work form. I created a folder on my Gmail account that stores these emails since Oct 2008; their number has reached 16026 submissions today. :) But the data is also stored on our databases. I'll see with Max if there is an easy way to let you access this information. Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 16:04, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
So I added a second page [[Quem pastores laudavere a 4 with children (Michael Praetorius)]], which I linked to "Musae Sioniae V, No 88".
:::Oh, no, thanks. I'm not part of the group of admins that manage submissions, and not willing to enter it. ;-)) [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 16:30, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


== Blocked user? ==
If I find time I will add No. 89 from the autograph, put it to [[Quem pastores laudavere a 4 (Michael Praetorius)]] and link it to "Musae Sioniae V, No. 89", because it's the most similar source for the existing three editions.
[[User:Volker Seibt]] ([[User talk:Vseibt|talk]]) 13:16, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
:Thanks for your edits. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 14:03, 29 December 2019 (UTC)


Hi Claude.  Why did you block User:Su_Ce and disable the account?  I received an email from the person who registered with that username wondering why she cannot log in.  She wants to do some helpful editing, and your block also blocked her IP addresses, making it impossible to contribute her efforts to CPDL. Please unblock her and explain to her what happened, okay? &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 19:57, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
== Appreciation ==
:Hi, Chuck. I've just unblocked this user. The reason to block was that Su_ce reads and sounds exactly in French as Su_ck in English. Don't know how to explain that outside but if you want to lead her to my talk page... [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 20:28, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for the warm welcome, you are very kind! I am glad to be part of this amazing community. I am grateful to have this once in a lifetime opportunity to work with you and to meet others. It is a pleasure and a privilege for me to be here. I owe you my life! --[[User:Music4Ever|Music4Ever]] ([[User talk:Music4Ever|talk]]) 21:35, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
:: Thanks, Claude.  I'll point her to this discussion. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 20:43, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
:Feel free to ask, if any question. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 06:26, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
::Anytime! --[[User:Music4Ever|Music4Ever]] ([[User talk:Music4Ever|talk]]) 06:42, 30 December 2019 (UTC)


== PostedDate ==
== Samuel Babcock ==
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_G._Babcock There is no person named [[Samuel Babcock]] that is a composer. This Wikipedia source links to a bishop named [[Samuel G. Babcock]]. This page also has the wrong birth and death dates. Please delete this. This person is not a composer, he was a bishop. Not relevant to this wiki. --[[User:Music4Ever|Music4Ever]] ([[User talk:Music4Ever|talk]]) 17:29, 30 December 2019 (UTC)


Hi Claude!
== Wikipedia version of this guy as a bishop, not a composer ==
'''Samuel Gavitt Babcock''' (1851–1938) was an American bishop in the Protestant Episcopal Church. He graduated from the Episcopal Theological School at Cambridge, Massachusetts, in 1891. After holding pastorates in Rhode Island and Massachusetts he was archdeacon of Massachusetts from 1903 to 1913, when he was elected suffragan bishop of Massachusetts. --[[User:Music4Ever|Music4Ever]] ([[User talk:Music4Ever|talk]]) 17:32, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
:I'm knowing nothing about him. Please use the forums before any deletion. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 17:36, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
::Please show me a link to the forums. --[[User:Music4Ever|Music4Ever]] ([[User talk:Music4Ever|talk]]) 17:38, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
:::In the left pane of any CPDL page, including this one ;-) [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 17:40, 30 December 2019 (UTC)


With regard to reintroducing the PostedDate template to editions from which NewWork has been removed, would you mind waiting a bit before you go on with this? I'd like to discuss it more thoroughly, as I don't see the need for this. If the dates are the same, why duplicate it? I envision for the future a single template for editions, that would look more or less like this:
== 2020 ==
<pre>{{Edition|54400
|Submitted=           |Posted=
|Editor=             |Editor2=
|Copyright=
...etc...
}}</pre>
The parameter {{para|Submitted}} would be a mandatory value (it already is), but not {{para|Posted}}, so that if it is empty, we know that the edition was posted on the same day. What do you think? —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 12:39, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
:Hi, Carlos. It's fine by me, I can wait. But you know Chuck hasn't the same idea. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 12:43, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
:Also, don't we need some EditionNotes text template, the last needed for an entirely templates-made edition? [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 09:26, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
::Hi Claude, I don't think so... templates should be created for useful purposes; simply replacing a text with a template that will display that very same text is not useful, in my view. By the way, Chuck had suggested in the forums to use just {{tl|Posted}} instead of {{tl|PostedDate}}; I like the shorter name, what about you? I'll make it a redirect; you may use it if you want; in case it is adopted, there's no need to replace PostedDate where it has already been used. Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 13:59, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
:::I, too, prefer the shorter one ;-)) [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 14:24, 23 February 2015 (UTC)


== Merger of duplicate pages ==
Happy new year to you, best wishes for 2020! --[[User:Music4Ever|Music4Ever]] ([[User talk:Music4Ever|talk]]) 20:43, 30 December 2019 (UTC)


Hi Claude! You suggested that ''3 Drovers (Sarah Lambert)'' should be merged with [[3 Drovers (William G. James)]], but they are in fact duplicate pages differing just in the composer name. In such cases you can simply delete one of them, or make it a redirect to the other. Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 14:29, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
==MXL file==
:Yes Carlos, but the difficulty is there: "Who is the right one?" Who is the composer, who is just a "little" arranger? ;-) I don't want to be a victim of contemporary "composers" hmm "arrangers". I let you go at it ;-)) [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 14:37, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi Claude. You added an MXL file to my page https://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Heart_of_Spring_(Mark_Chapman) I have updated the MuseScore file but don't have access to update this one. Thanks. [[User:MarkChapman|MarkChapman]] ([[User talk:MarkChapman|talk]]) 04:12, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
::Ohhh I got it. You're a wise man! ;) I went ahead and deleted one of the pages, let's hope it won't cause any strong reactions! —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 15:35, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
:Hi, Mark. Thank you for your contributions. I've updated the MXL file. Next time, feel free to add your own MXL file and warn me to remove mine ;-) [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 07:07, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:MarkChapman|MarkChapman]] ([[User talk:MarkChapman|talk]]) 07:30, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks again for the new MXL file. There is apparently a workaround to get MusicXML out of Lilypond, but I haven't mastered it yet.[[User:MarkChapman|MarkChapman]] ([[User talk:MarkChapman|talk]]) 11:47, 14 March 2020 (UTC)


== Newest form of Text Template ==
== At first the mountain rill (George Alexander MacFarren) ==


Hi Claude! I noticed you changed the page [[Creation (Oliver Holden)]] to conform to "Newest form of Text Template." The problem is that your edits put the title at the top of the first column, rather than above all the columns.  I got the title to be above all the columns, but now there are several unwanted blank lines between. Do you know how to get this to work right?  Where can I find a full explanation about how to use these templates properly?  (Of course, it may be there, and I didn't find it; I am a relative newcomer. It would be easier if I just did it right the first time.) Is it just me, or does it seem that the "newer" form is a bit awkward when columns are involved?
Thanks for adding the text, Claude. Must have got distracted after uploading the files.<br>
Is this "newer" template eventually going to supersede the older one?  If so, there would be a lot of changes necessary, such as almost all the Psalms. Thanks for your help. – Barry Johnston, [[User:Bcjohnston523|Bcjohnston523]] ([[User talk:Bcjohnston523|talk]]) 22:35, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 12:30, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
:Hi, Barry. Thank you for your contributions. I do appreciate the music you edit. About the Text template, Chuck recently added a variant to use when text spreads throughout the cells of a table, not each time with a text/Translation template: use <nowiki>{{Text|Simple|</nowiki> at the beginning and }} at the end as usual. That is not yet documented on [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Text the template page]. For extra blank lines, I'm sure Chuck will  find a solution. BTW, could you please generate a MIDI file of your editions? It's as easy as File/Save as.../MIDI. It's useful for choirs willing to separate voices for rehearsal to sing your editions. Thanks in advance, [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 07:41, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
:You're welcome, James! [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 12:31, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
::Hi Claude. Thanks for the explanation, and for the kind words. I will use the new text format variant as you say, but still a little confused about when to use newer vs. older formatting. About the changes you made yesterday, I used the standard template <nowiki>{{subst:text pages}}</nowiki> to create these pages; I will edit my new text pages to the new format (or is there already a new template?).  I will create a MIDI file for all my editions, thanks for asking, and thanks again for your time. – Barry,  [[User:Bcjohnston523|Bcjohnston523]] ([[User talk:Bcjohnston523|talk]]) 21:19, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
:::I see that Carlos reverted [[Creation_(Oliver_Holden)]] back to the other text format, then you changed it back to your first edit, to the "newer" text format.  I thought about just watching you fight it out to see how it would go, but nothing's happened for a while. So, I worked on it a bit, and finally got it to look something like correct, but it still has an extra line! I think I can live with it now.  This must be showing all of us, I hope, the limitations of the "newer" format (<nowiki>{{Text|Language|..}} .. {{Text|Simple|..</nowiki>), especially when dealing with columns.  All this for only ten bytes gained! Personally, I think you admins should start composing a user's guide on the use of the various text formats, including the limitations of each, and when each is appropriate -- that would help all of us. -- Barry, [[User:Bcjohnston523|Bcjohnston523]] ([[User talk:Bcjohnston523|talk]])
::::Well done, Barry! Thanks. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 05:54, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
:::::Hi Barry, sorry if we left you in the expectation of an edit war, lol. Long edit wars as seen on Wikipedia will never happen here (hopefully!), as we're all a bunch of good old friends ;)
:::::With regard to the best way of displaying text on a page, there really isn't a standard yet. It all depends on the layout one expects to see (with or without columns, etc.) It was me who first introduced this "new" template syntax, exactly two years ago, but I planned it to be used for only short texts in pages with very simple layout. It was a surprise to me to see that it had become the de facto standard very recently, since I particularly don't see the <nowiki><poem></nowiki> tags as evil things to be avoided at all costs. That's why I think that the new syntax shouldn't be forced on pages the layout of which it cannot replicate in a simple manner. With that in mind, please feel free to choose the format you prefer the most; I'm sure Claude won't mind if you return to the original syntax. Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 00:17, 2 April 2015 (UTC)


== {Verse} vs {Vs} ==
== Qui habitat by Ortells ==


Hi Claude, you started mass replacing {{tl|Verse}} with {{tl|Vs}}, but did you notice that the latter one doesn't add a line break as the former? The resulting layout is less than desirable, since text and translation are no longer aligned: [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Psalm_150&diff=next&oldid=526840]. Is there any discussion about the adoption of this new template, that I may have missed? Thanks, [[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 16:46, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Claude, I entered the details of this work today but after doing this I did not get the usual email with the code to use in creating the new work. Did I do something wrong? [[User:Jgoodliffe|Jgoodliffe]] ([[User talk:Jgoodliffe|talk]]) 17:12, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
:Hi, Jonathan, Many thanks for all your contributions! For what I can see, you uploaded three files concerning that work, but I don't see that you filled the AddWork form as before, for the other works. Please go to the Ortell's composer page, click on 'Add new work' on the upper right part. Fill the AddWork form, but no need to upload the files, you did it already. By the way, adding an MXL (compressed XML) file allows more users to use your edition(s), not only those who have Sibelius. Feel free to upload the MXL file in lieu of the Sibelius one, if you don't want to upload both files. Kind Regards, [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 21:37, 2 March 2020 (UTC)


:It doesn't add a line break when it is not inside the curly brackets of your 2013 version of Text template. As all Vs templates will soon be inside a Text template… ([http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Psalm_150 Psalm 150] is yet aligned, as a majority of Psalms) [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 16:50, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Claude. Thanks for this. My version of Sibelius (5.2.5) can only import, not export XML files. The cost of upgrading the software, which in all other respects does everything I want, is disproportionate. However, I will keep an eye out for a possible solution [[User:Jgoodliffe|Jgoodliffe]] ([[User talk:Jgoodliffe|talk]]) 09:51, 3 March 2020 (UTC)


::I see... that's strange! On a different subject, could you please check the texts at [[Que feu craintif (Jacquet de Berchem)]]? I find it strange that '''m'a''' and '''n'a''' are inverted in both texts; was it a typo, maybe? Thanks, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 17:41, 9 April 2015 (UTC)


::: Inside a "poem" environment or inside the new {{tl|Text}}, {{tl|Verse}} adds an extra line break (in addition to the new line already created by the environment. That is why I concocted {{tl|Vs}}, to remove the extra line break. Outside a "poem" environment, {{tl|Verse}} adds a line break, while {{tl|Vs}} does not, and this is where the problem is with the mass replacement of {{tl|Verse}} by {{tl|Vs}}, since there are formatting issues that arise until such time as the text is put inside a "poem" environment or inside {{tl|Text}} (or {{tl|Translation}}. Finally, with the Psalm pages, it will be necessary to apply further formatting fixes, mostly because of the two column format, but also because a lot of the original formatting was done "visually" rather than according to Psalm structure of most verses:  a typical verse has the form (initial statement): (response statement) ... and starting a new line with the (response statement), suitably indented, is the proper way to format Psalm texts. I've begun doing this, and it is not a simple matter of using ReplaceText en masse.  Also note that, <tt><nowiki>{{Vs|}}</nowiki></tt> or <tt><nowiki>{{Vs| }}</nowiki></tt> simply generates a NoBreakSpace, while <tt><nowiki>{{Vs}}</nowiki></tt> generates also a DigitSpace. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 17:48, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
==Thanks...==


::::I used "m'a" four times. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 17:50, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
belatedly, for the welcome, and for fixing my newbie's capitalization error. [[User:Wilus|Wilus]] ([[User talk:Wilus|talk]]) 09:52, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
: You're welcome, William ;-) [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 11:47, 30 March 2020 (UTC)


== Creating CPDL number categories and CPDL number pages ==
== Valls Magnificat a 8 (incomplete) #13405 ==


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Claude
|by=[[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 15:21, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 
|text=Hi Claude.
Could you please rename this work "Magnificat a 8 tertii toni". I have discovered a complete version of it which will shortly be uploaded. Merci bien!
Back near the end of January, I created templates {{tl|CPDLnoCat}} and {{tl|CPDLnoPage}} to handle the problem about manually creating [[:Category:CPDL 351xy]] and [[ChoralWiki:CPDL 351xy]].  And at that time I created the relevant categories & pages through CPDL 350xy. I thought you knew about this, but apparently I failed to let you know that there are templates for the creation of these objects.
 
Jonathan [[User:Jgoodliffe|Jgoodliffe]] ([[User talk:Jgoodliffe|talk]]) 22:24, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
:Hi, Jonathan,
:[[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) just did it. Thanks to him.
:[[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 04:59, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 
== Thanks, Claude ==
HI, Claude. Thank you for your welcome and for reviewing my page! I'm new to CPDL as a contributor, so I hope I don't make too many mistakes (for example, is really this the place for writing to you?). Yesterday I added some more information on my page, but I can see them only if I'm logged in: Is there something wrong? Have a nice day! Paolo Zoccarato[[User:Paolo Zoccarato|Paolo Zoccarato]] ([[User talk:Paolo Zoccarato|talk]]) 06:06, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
:Hi, Paolo. You're welcome. You did it all right. It's normal: When one is logged, he reaches the main server, www.cpdl.org, which shows the changes quite instantly. When not logged in, you go to ww1, ww2 or ww3; they show the changes hours after. Kind Regards, [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 09:34, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 
== Request of score removal ==
 
Hi Claude,
I would ask you to remove the music files of [[Fermarono i cieli (Alfonso Maria de' Liguori)]] because I am publishing my arrangement with Carus Verlag. You can obviously leave the page and the description.
Thank you,
[[User:Fraspi|Fraspi]] ([[User talk:Fraspi|talk]]) 07:59, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
:Done. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 11:39, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
::Thank you. Would it be possible removing it from the cache <[[File:Fermarono.pdf]]> too? [[User:Fraspi|Fraspi]] ([[User talk:Fraspi|talk]]) 09:59, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
:::Done. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 11:11, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 
== Settings of Benedictus by Juan del Vado ==
 
Claude,
 
I have 4 settings of the Benedictus by this composer extracted from his masses. Is it OK to put them all on one page (with separate score numbers) or should they each be on a separate page?
 
Thanks
 
Jonathan [[User:Jgoodliffe|Jgoodliffe]] ([[User talk:Jgoodliffe|talk]]) 09:24, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
:Hi, Jonathan. Yes, all on one page, in my opinion. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 09:39, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 
== As ever I saw ==
 
Claude
 
As well as the Warlock setting of this title Mick and I have produced a reconstructed version of the original music. See http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/As_ever_I_saw_(Anonymous) . For some reason this does not appear on the list of recent works. Can you correct this?
 
Jonathan [[User:Jgoodliffe|Jgoodliffe]] ([[User talk:Jgoodliffe|talk]]) 06:24, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
:Hi, Jonathan,
:I've restored
:<nowiki>[[Category:Sheet music]]</nowiki>
:line that was missing at the end of the page (perhaps removed accidentally when you pasted the 'Text and translations' section.
:Please restore the accurate <nowiki>[[Category:<Era> music]]</nowiki> just below.
:[[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 06:57, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 
Done [[User:Jgoodliffe|Jgoodliffe]] ([[User talk:Jgoodliffe|talk]]) 13:49, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 
== Dido and Aeneas by Purcell ==
 
Claude, I see you have effectively managed this work on CPDL. Would you object if I were to edit it just to highlight that it is not "complete", flagging missing movements (such as the prologue) and noting that those movements have been reconctructed (e.g. by Thurston Dart) although they are in copyright so cannot appear on CPDL.
 
Jonathan [[User:Jgoodliffe|Jgoodliffe]] ([[User talk:Jgoodliffe|talk]]) 07:31, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
: No problem, Jonathan, please proceed. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 10:23, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 
== …without leaving redirect ==
 
Hi Claude,
I know you're mindful of clutter, and I've taken to trying not to leave too many redirects when moving pages myself. "What links here" is useful though to avoid redlinks on text- and other hand-maintained pages. I'd be happy to hear what you think about [[Help talk:Style conventions#Apostophe's]] though! [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 02:13, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
:The use of an apostrophe is the responsability of the editor and I respect it.
:1. The question here was about typography: using a curved apostrophe.
:a. The curved apostrophe is typographically correct and is used for printed material. But as I read in the page you pointed:
  Although ubiquitous in typeset material, the typographic apostrophe ( ’ ) is rather difficult to enter on a computer, since it does not have its own key on a standard keyboard.
:Until yesterday a user wanting to search for works like [[L'aura che'l verde Lauro (Luca Marenzio)]] or [[I' piango (Luca Marenzio)]] shouldn't have found them easily, even on the Marenzio['s] page, the creator of that pages having used a curly apostrophe in the title.
:b. As our Wiki system rejects the curved apostrophe with the diacritics after Z in the alphabetic sorting, such titles weren't found where expected.
 
:2. As you (and Carlos), I'm "trying not to leave too many redirects when moving pages". So I leaved the curly apostrophe without redirect, because the redirect became superfluous;
 
:3. Perhaps do you imply that I should have searched for links to the old typography throughout all the database. Anyway, ninety percents of composer pages are automatized and such a change is therefore instantly reflected on them. I'm in favo[u]r of automatizing ALL of the front composer pages (not removing other lists but putting them just a click away). The ten percents of composer pages that are manually maintained should be maintained manually by those who don't want them to be automatized.
:[[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 08:10, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 
== difficulty creating new score pages ==
 
Claude,
 
When I try entering a new score page I get this error message "There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, search the related logs, or create this page". Am I doing something wrong? Also I now find I can log on in Microsoft Edge but not in FireFox. Can you help? [[User:Jgoodliffe|Jgoodliffe]] ([[User talk:Jgoodliffe|talk]]) 10:02, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
:Hi, Jonathan,
:I'm not a specialist, but I guess you're not logged in, when you see that. Please, try to type an 's' after 'http' in the URL address bar above, or a complete 'https://' string before the page title, if you don't see anything before 'www.cpdl.org'. I hope this helps. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 12:52, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
::Claude,
::Thanks for your help. The score pages mysteriously appeared overnight. In trying to get the system to work yesterday I am afraid I seem to have created 4 redundant music numbers - 697 to 700. [[User:Jgoodliffe|Jgoodliffe]] ([[User talk:Jgoodliffe|talk]]) 11:27, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
:::No problem, Jonathan. From time to time, we need such unused CPDL numbers, to split an existing edition or some other reason ;-) [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 12:33, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 
== My User Page ==
 
Would you mind explaining to me why you have edited my user page?
[[User:NicholasNotabene|NicholasNotabene]] ([[User talk:NicholasNotabene|talk]]) 15:16, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
:Thank you for your contributions to CPDL.
:All user pages here are so:
:1. A talk page under the declared nickname
:2. An editor page under your full name.
:Feel free to fill your editor page.
:All users may now talk to you on your talk page.
:I hope you agree.
:Kind Regards, [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 15:22, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for the reply.
[[User:NicholasNotabene|NicholasNotabene]] ([[User talk:NicholasNotabene|talk]]) 16:20, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 
== Anton Bruckner - Tantum ergo ==
 
Dear Claude,
 
There is apparently some confusions about Anton Bruckner's settings of the Pange lingua and Tantum ergo.
 
Bruckner composed two settings of the Pange lingua: WAB 31 and WAB 33 (phrygian, with Tantum ergo) and eight Tantum ergo: chronologically WAB 32 (wrongly issued by Grasberger as "Pange lingua, WAB 32), WAB 43, the four settings of WAB 41, WAB 42 and WAB 44.  


Nevertheless, had you looked at the history for [[ChoralWiki:CPDL 350xy]], you would have seen that it was created using: <tt><nowiki>{{subst:CPDLnoPage|350}}</nowiki></tt>.  Note that the template {{tl|CPDLnoPage}} must be '''subst'''ituted to work properly.  On the other hand, [[:Category:CPDL 350xy]] was created with the simpler <tt><nowiki>{{CPDLnoCat}}</nowiki></tt>.
You have wrongly reverted "Tantum ergo, WAB 32 (Anton Bruckner)" to "Tantum ergo, WAB 31 (Anton Bruckner)". I have reverted it.


Seeing your summary comment (again) after you created [[ChoralWiki:CPDL 351xy]], I created the corresponding pages through [[ChoralWiki:CPDL 360xy]] in just 3 minutes. Then I got a cup of coffee and created the categories [[:Category:CPDL 351xy]] through [[:Category:CPDL 350xy]] in less than 3 minutes!
There are currently two different pages on WAB 32: "Tantum ergo in D Major, WAB 32 (Anton Bruckner)" and "Tantum ergo, WAB 32 (Anton Bruckner)". These two pages should be merged.


I'm sorry that you hadn't known about the templates for creating these categories and pages.
Best regards, [[User:Meneerke bloem|Meneerke bloem]] ([[User talk:Meneerke bloem|talk]]) 15:48, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
}}
:I've merged the most recent page content into the oldest, as usual here (to keep history). [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 16:31, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
:Don't be sorry. I forgot you turned that easy to create such pages. But why all those CompCatTxt, EdCatTxt (or CatTxt - why do Carlos do that through another process?), etc., etc. are pointed from red links on each new created page? Again: if these categories aren't useful so soon, why create broken links from the first day? [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 15:31, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you. [[User:Meneerke bloem|Meneerke bloem]] ([[User talk:Meneerke bloem|talk]]) 18:56, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


== Duplicates ==
== My common.js ==


Hi Claude! Thanks for adding the text to [[Questo è il giorno che ha fatto il Signore I (Paolo Pandolfo)]]! Just one minute before it, you added the same text to [[Abbiamo contemplato I (Paolo Pandolfo)]]. You were probably so concentrated on the text itself that you didn't notice that the pages were identical, except for the wrong title in one of them. ;) —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 14:42, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi Claude, you have delete my user Javascript page, the reason was assumed spam/vandalism. This javascript page only affects my own useraccount and nobody else or anything else on this wiki. Why would I want to vandalize or spam my own user account? I just added a gadget which I use for my useraccounts on many other wikis, I am storing the code centralized in a wiki where I have admin rights. This is where the include-statement comes from, there is absolute no harm in it. If you do not want users create their own javascript page a bureaucrat can to change the wiki's central settings, [[User:Manuela1|Manuela]] ([[User talk:Manuela1|talk]]) 14:16, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
:Hi, Carlos. Thank you for having catched this and for having clarified things about Agnello di Dio (1992, 2001, etc.).[[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 15:56, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
:Hi, Manuela,
:Just after I removed the script (the reason had to be choosen in a short list, not quite appropriate, though), I wanted to restore it. A bug in the system didn't let me succeed in that. I then took advice by my fellow admin Max who mainly wrote: "I get the same error: I guess that there may be a bug or some special configuration to do when handling pages containing Javascript code.", "It seems this user registered in 2016, and only used our wiki to test wiki code probably used somewhere else. The Javascript code entered is a custom code used on another wiki " and "It's probably unharmful, however I'm not that happy that someone uses our wiki as if it were their test wiki...".  [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 14:35, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
::I am not using this wiki as testwiki, I have added some scores in 2016. I wanted to add more then, for some reason which I do not remember I did not continue, maybe because I started to create my own wikis, [[User:Manuela1|Manuela]] ([[User talk:Manuela1|talk]]) 20:54, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
:::Perhaps that page could help you: [[User:Claude_T/DPL_queries/LY]] I suppose that scripts are allowed only by admins, here as on all other wikis. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 21:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
::::Thank you for the link, Claude. I could not figure out an easy way to find all Lilypond scores, and Lilypond code is displayed as text without syntax highlighting, I guess this were the reasons why I stopped editing her, greetings [[User:Manuela1|Manuela]] ([[User talk:Manuela1|talk]]) 08:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
:::::You're welcome, Manuela. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 08:31, 23 January 2021 (UTC)


== Regular expressions ==
== Why dost thou shoot (Wilbye) ==


Hi Claude, you must be careful when using regular expressions to replace texts; if not well defined, it can lead to undesirable results. See for instance [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Non_nobis_Domine_(Anonymous)&diff=next&oldid=512500 this one edit], it changed the original CPDL license into a Personal license. This could have been avoided if, instead of <tt><nowiki>'''Copyright:'''(.*)]]</nowiki></tt> you had used something like <tt><nowiki>''Copyright:''' \[\[ChoralWiki:Personal\|(.*)]]</nowiki></tt> to restrict the scope of the regular expression. Thanks, [[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 00:15, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Claude, for some reason, Capella produces a corrupt mxl file, with the bass missing. Seth spotted this and I tried reloading, but it didn't work. The same thing was true of the version you uploaded. I'll try playing around with the format, but I think the file needs deleting if it has errors.
:Ok, Carlos. Sorry. Thanks again. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 06:29, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Hope you are surviving the boredom of Covid. At least, the number of contibutions stays high!
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 08:12, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
:Ah, Ok, feel free to remove link and file itself.
:Yes, all well here: more time for site maintenance ;-) [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 10:17, 16 February 2021 (UTC)


== Amen (Michal Janošík) ==
It occurred to me that it might be a problem with the multiple curved braces in the system, since I seem to recall that earlier unsolved problems involved my editions with multiple braces. So I produced a revised version without braces. However, when I uploaded the mxl file, deleting the previous one, and then downloaded the mxl file from the works page, it was the old version that appeared! [[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 10:56, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
:I've seen that in the past. Machines on Internet don't resend a file if it has the same name on your disk, even if its content is different. The solution is to delete the previous version in the list. Using a different browser generally does the trick. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 11:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)


Hello Claude. Could you please explain why you removed the ''Amen'' from the title of [[Amen (Michal Janošík)|Michal Janošík]]'s work? As strange as it may appear, "Amen" is the name he chose for his mass, so it has to stay on the works page title, don't you agree? Please check his [http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQwAdzm2jkOgiKCBvGZnjSA Youtube] and [https://soundcloud.com/michal-janosik/sets/amen-2011-2012 Soundcloud] channels to confirm this. Best, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 16:27, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Right, I've changed the name of the mxl file before uploading and that seems to have solved the problem! Didn't need to change browsers. Do you still have a list of the my uploads where we had  similar problem withe the mxl file?[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]])
:I was forgetting the most important: the title I moved the page to was the one the composer himself had added to the duplicate page you deleted: [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=Amen+%282012%29+%28Michal+Janošík%29&timestamp=20150703111042]. Thanks, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 16:31, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
::Ok, Carlos. Do you mean this mass is an 'Amen Mass'? We have to see that Amen is the name of the seventh and last movement. Even if it were a 'Kyrie Mass' or a 'Gloria Mass', we use this order: Paukenmesse for a german title, Missa solemnis, Missa super vecy..., Mass against the war but never 'Title of a mass' followed by parenthesis including 'Mass for such occurrence'. ;-) I take this opportunity to reaffirm that we are all friends here and that I did solemnly swear that NOT ANY beginning of an edit war will occur through me. Whatever should be your choice, it will also be mine. Friendly, [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 17:02, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
:::LOL! I do believe in your good faith, don't worry about that. :)
:::I was thinking just like you, that Amen was due to the last movement of the work, but then I searched for his name and found the sites I cited above, where he titles his work like this: "Amen (Mass for mixed choir and orchestra)". So, we could maybe use a title such as "Missa Amen" for the sake of uniformity, but since the composer himself added the work, we should probably let him have the final say. Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 17:41, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


== Veni, dilecte mi (Schütz) ==
I think there is a problem with Capella when creating mxl files that have more than one curly brace. I've just uploaded a version of The Goslings (Bridge) and when I checked the file that has been uploaded, the stave descriptions were misplaced. So I'll adjust for that in the future.[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 15:06, 16 February 2021 (UTC)


Claude, thanks for adding the text to this work. I would have got round to it but allowed bodily needs (lunch) to take precedence over art! I've now added an approximate English translation. [[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 15:33, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
:i don't retrieve the list of missing MXL files. I remember there were just a few. I opened the file mentioned above, under Finale, and it seems correct to me, including a (singing) Bass line. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 16:04, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
:Hi, James. I know all your editions are complete ones. I just found the text over Internet, so easy to cut and paste ;-) Wish you all the best. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 16:24, 16 August 2015 (UTC)


== Not, Celia, that I juster am ==
== Odes to Music ==


Claude
Claude


Apologies, but when uploading this I got the name wrong. It should be "Not, Celia, that I juster am" not "Not, Celia, though I juster am.
Is it worth having a specific category for "odes to music". These would include, for instance, Schubert's "An die musik" and Purcell's "Music for a while". There are quite a few of these on CPDL already and I am working on one by the composer Maurice Greene at the moment. [[User:Jgoodliffe|Jgoodliffe]] ([[User talk:Jgoodliffe|talk]]) 12:03, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
:Sorry, I've no advice about the question. Please try the forums or another admin. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 13:02, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 
== New works remain in cache ==
 
Hi Claude,
I'm rather new to CPDL, so I'm wondering why my last 4 new work contributions (since June 13) remain visible in the cache as well as in the normal list. I saw you did some small editing on my editions which is quite OK.
:Hi, Wytze, on your composer page, I clicked on ‘Edit’, then on ‘Save’ and renewed the operation. BTW, three of your files remain orphans (they aren't linked from/to any 'Requiem' work page). Please create the corresponding work page soon. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 12:06, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
:: Hi, Wytze. Thanks for your Requiem. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 14:57, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 
== New edition PDF cannot be opened ==
 
Hello, Claude.  I've been reworking the Distler Jahrkreis.  At No. 11 (Wie Schön leucht't) I cannot open the PDF that I recently uploaded.  I tried to upload it again, but it was rejected as an identical file. 
Also, with No. 1 (O Heiland, reiss die Himmel auf), I cannot update the MXL file, also rejected as identical. 
If you have and suggestions, I'd be grateful for them.
----Jim Pearson
:Hi, Jim. 1. At No. 11, We can see, clicking on the white icon, just right of the PDF one (that leads to the file history: [[File:Distler11WieSch%C3%B6n.pdf]]) that you uploaded under the same name and extension different files that aren't PDF ones. I've just reverted your uploads to the last correct PDF version. 2. At No. 1, I've removed the MXL file to make way for you to upload and link it. To update further files, just let me know. Kind Regards, Claude.
 
== new member help ==
 
Dear Claude, I am new to CPDL. I am a collector of old music and also a composer and arranger.
I have transcribed into Finale 2014 many early works. I have just upgraded to the new finale 27 but have not updated my 2014 files as I wanted to make sure before I start that work that I am doing it the right way to make it available on CPDL or some other platform.
 
Among many other compositions, I have transcribed the following complete collections:
 
1. William Boyce: Cathedral Music Vol. 1-3 first edition. I have done this as sort of an Urtext leaving the original clefs, time signatures, etc. I have also typed in the figured bass as provided by Boyce
 
2. William Boyce / Vincent Novello: Novello's organ realization (1850s) of Boyce's Cathedral Music Vol. 1-3
 
3. Samuel Arnold: Cathedral Music Vol. 1-3 first edition. I have done this as sort of an Urtext leaving the original clefs, time signatures, etc. I have also typed in the figured bass as provided by Arnold
 
4. Samuel Arnold: Organ realization by Samuel Arnold of his Cathedral Music (about 1790)
 
5. Maurice Greene 40 Anthems first edition -- again as an Urtext
 
I have many more but these are a sample.
 
 
I want to know how to proceed and have the following questions.
a. Is this the right platform for these old compositions?
b. Finale 27 stores the files in a **.musx file. It also allows an export to: **.PDF,  **MusicXML, and **MIDI files. Do I submit all 4 file types?
c. I also do transcribe and translate old Spanish documents for the Cibola project at Berkeley U. of California. For those projects I take high resolution photos of the individual pages and provide them for the fellow researchers. Does CPDL also want that for these old documents?
d. How do I proceed? Should I try to submit one of my transcriptions and then ask you to edit/check the work before I follow with the others?
 
Sorry to have so many questions but I am a neophyte and want to do this work in the best fashion.
 
Mike Wallen [[User:Mike Wallen|Mike Wallen]] ([[User talk:Mike Wallen|talk]]) 12:47, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
:Hi, Mike. Thanks for coming to us and willing to contribute. This is the right place, concerning all choral/vocal music.
:As you can see, we already have a composer page for [[William Boyce]] and other composers you cited. So, the straight way to take is to check (on composer page) if the work has already a work page. If yes, just click on "Add new edition" (upper right part of the work page). If not, just click on "Add new work" (upper right part of the composer page).
:AddWork form that opens has to be filled, including picking files to upload (there is a line for one of each file type: PDF, MXL (compressed MusicXML), and so on). I consider that these two formats are recommanded and are sufficient for most of our users, should they be conductors or singers.
:Our general architecture is based on one independant work page for each composition, that is, containing all movements of the work and all editions contributed by all our editors. Work pages are automatically linked from/to their corresponding composer page.
:You'll also see that we already have publication pages as [[Cathedral Music, Volume 1 (William_Boyce)]]. A newly edited work page appears on its corresponding publication(s) when the 'Pub[lished]' field of the AddWork form is correctly filled. That can be adjusted later.
:About [manuscript] facsimiles, particularly of instrumental music, please consider IMSLP procedures.
:Receive our warm welcome in advance for your contributions. Don't hesitate to ask for more. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 13:57, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 
== [[Missa Quand'io pens'al martire (Orlando di Lasso)]] ==
 
Hi Claude,
 
I've noticed you adding MXL files and, not yet having braved PhotoScore, wonder if I might ask you for [[Missa Quand'io pens'al martire (Orlando di Lasso)]] for a friend who wants a transposition? Regards, [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 02:04, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
:Hi, Richard. I don't add MXL files to PDFs under 'Personal' copyright, sorry. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 07:52, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 
== Page title wrong / cannot move page ==
 
Hi Claude,
 
The page title for [[Weinachts Oratorium (Christmas Oratorio), BWV_248 (Johann Sebastian Bach)]] has an ugly spelling mistake "Weinachts Oratorium" (should be spelled "Weihnachtsoratorium" with an "h" and it is just one word).
It seems I don't have the right to move the page, but maybe you can?
[[User:Marabu|Christof Chen]]
:Thanks for spotting this. Done. By the way, you can sign your words with four tildes in a row. ;-) [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 14:38, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 
== Alleluia: Maria Dei Genitrix (Adam Rener) ==
 
Hi Claude,
I noticed you [https://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Alleluia:_Maria_Dei_Genitrix_(D-Ju_MS_33)_(Adam_Rener)&diff=next&oldid=1644465 moved this page to Alleluia: Maria Dei Genitrix (D-Ju MS 33) (Adam Rener)]. Disambiguation would be needed if he wrote other ''Alleluia: Maria Dei Genitrix'' that are found in different sources, but is that the case here? NG lists only the one. [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 08:44, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
:I agree, Richard, so I went back to the previous page title. [[User:Claude T|Claude T]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 10:46, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 
== Repeated duplicate Add work forms submitted under your name. ==
 
Hi Claude.
Since about an hour an a half ago, there have been four essentially duplicate Add work forms submitted for " Abschiedslied der Zugvögel, Op. 63 No. 2 (Felix Mendelssohn)", all supposedly by you, with manual wiki code submission option: yes.  The "user/submitter" has used your name and two of the three email addresses that I have on file for you. The CPDL numbers thus used are 70040-70043.  But none of these has actually been posted.  I'm not sure what to do about this or or how we might block further malicious submissions like this.  Anyway, I thought you need to know. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 17:10, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
:Hi, Chuck. It's me. I try to create a new edition and I don't see anything appear on the corresponding work page nor in my mailbox(es), even in addscore@cpdl.org! [[User:Claude T|Claude T]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 17:19, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
::Hi Claude. I just forwarded a copy of the CPDL 70040 submission.  I hope you get it!! -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 17:44, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
:::Thanks, Chuck, I've been able to add my edition at [[Abschiedslied der Zugvögel, Op. 63 No. 2 (Felix Mendelssohn)]]. [[User:Claude T|Claude T]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 18:55, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 
== Help with editing a page ==
 
Hello,
 
I uploaded a work Mia vita and made a duplicate page with the title Madrigal under Salamone Rossi. Is it possible to delete the Madrigal page?
 
Thank you,
[[User:Jameshiggs|Jameshiggs]] ([[User talk:Jameshiggs|talk]]) 23:51, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
:Geoffrey ([[User:GeoffG|GeoffG]] ([[User talk:GeoffG|talk]]) has already removed the page. Thanks to him.  [[User:Claude T|Claude T]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 06:28, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 
== Strip the willow ==
 
Apologies for creating two unrequired pages (The willow song (Christopher Shaw) and a composer page in my name. This was due to the recurring trouble of aggressive auto completion. I have raised a note on the forum: i'm afraid the the superfluous pages need to be deleted, not further incorporated.[[User:Cjshawcj|Cjshawcj]] ([[User talk:Cjshawcj|talk]]) 19:33, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
:Done ;-) [[User:Claude T|Claude T]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 19:42, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 
== Unhosted composers ==
 
Claude,
 
I want to upload a score by Daniel Purcell who is classified as an "unhosted" composer. The option to "add new work" is not available. How should I add the new score?
 
Thanks for your help
 
Jonathan [[User:Jgoodliffe|Jgoodliffe]] ([[User talk:Jgoodliffe|talk]])  09:41, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
:Hi, Jonathan. I’ve removed the « unhosted » tag. Let me know if there’s another issue left. [[User:Claude T|Claude T]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 10:59, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 
Claude, that seems tyo have solved the problem, thanks Jonathan [[User:Jgoodliffe|Jgoodliffe]] ([[User talk:Jgoodliffe|talk]]) 11:57, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 
== MXL addition ==
 
Thanks… I was unaware I could add both MSCZ and MXL (the form didn’t give me that option), and this is my first upload here. Perhaps either the form could be amended or this could be mentioned in the docs?
 
[[User:Mirabilos|mirabilos]] ([[User talk:Mirabilos|talk]]) 17:18, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
:Hi... (Your first name here ;-). Thanks for your contributions to this site. You are right, only one line is given for a "Music notation file". I guess that programmers have thought that one would upload an .mscz file OR an MXL one [the MXL one being usable by quite all users, the MSCZ one only for MuseScore users]. So, feel free to add only the MXL file. If you want, you may also upload manually your MSCZ file, adding then a link to it, copied/pasted from one of the links in the edition.
:By the way, I must say that all users may use only their nickname to download files, write anything,… until they create a (copyrighted) edition, whatever the copyright is, even a no-copyright one. All people may know who has the rights or has freed the copyright. So, if you agree, let me know what [First name-Name] should be used for editor. Your talk page will ever remain as "mirabilos". [[User:Claude T|Claude T]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 17:43, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
 
::I’d rather supply the MSCZ file as well because that’s the original and MusicXML export is… incomplete, I guess. But I can easily add both, I generate them already anyway.
::Copyright law specifically permits pseudonymous publications (https://dejure.org/gesetze/UrhG/66.html and §10 as well), and we can even have them added in our ID cards in Europe, so it will remain as this. [[User:Mirabilos|mirabilos]] ([[User talk:Mirabilos|talk]]) 17:54, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
 
== Modification de fichier XML ==
 
Bonjour Claude,
 
J'ai apporté des corrections à A - 31 Psaume et Acclamation.
Or, c'est vous qui aviez téléversé le fichier XML. Je ne peux donc pas le corriger.
 
Je change son nom. Vous pouvez donc supprimer le vôtre.
 
Bien à vous,
 
Rémi.
:Excellent, merci, Rémi, de me l'avoir signalé. J'ai supprimé mon fichier obsolète. [[User:Claude T|Claude T]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 07:24, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 
== Du lenkest alles (Philippe Goibaud-Dubois) ==
 
Dear Mr. Tallet,
 
thank You for Your correction of Du lenkest alles (Philippe Goibaud-Dubois). May You correct a little mistake which i have done? The title must be "Du lenkest alle" (without s in alles). I cannot correct this myself methinks.
Thank You and best regards
Michael Hauber. [[User:Michael Hauber|Michael Hauber]] ([[User talk:Michael_Hauber|talk]]) 14:27, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
: Done. ;-) [[User:Claude T|Claude T]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 15:10, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
:: Merci! MH
 
== MXL File ==
Hi Claude, thank you for your advice. I prepare my music files with LilyPond, thus I don't have an MusicXML-Export. Sorry.
Greetings Burkard (Temuta)
[[User:Temuta|Temuta]]
:Ah, Ok then ;-) [[User:Claude T|Claude T]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 07:10, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 
== Thank You ==
Thank you for your welcome, Claude!
 
I stumbled a bit by adding a descriptor to the Anonymous composer of second title that I submitted - sorry about that.
 
I'm not sure if it's worth the trouble to fix that, or easier to leave it as is:
Anonymous (Medieval Organum, c. 1000-1100)
 
I should have left it as simply "Anonymous" and put the other notes in the editor remarks.
 
At any rate, thank you for your work and your hospitality.


Would you mind doing a correction please?
John
[[User:Jstromgren|Jstromgren]] ([[User talk:Jstromgren|talk]]) 23:57, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:Hi, John, you're welcome! "Category:Anonymous compositions" includes already 1,645 works, so specifications, often about publication source, have already been included in composer name (between parentheses) by users.
:Kind Regards, Claude. [[User:Claude T|Claude T]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 07:20, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


[[User:Jonathang|Jonathang]] ([[User talk:Jonathang|talk]]) 22:03, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
== Psaume 23 by Wytze Oostenbrug ==
:Done, [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 06:28, 21 August 2015 (UTC)


== ExtText ==
Dear Claude,


Hi Claude, after seeing your edit to [[L'Amfiparnaso (Orazio Vecchi)|L'Amfiparnaso]] I came up with the idea for a Text template that would fit in such situations. At first I thought of adapting {{tl|SeeText}}, but then decided for a new one: {{tl|ExtText}}. How do you like it? Any suggestions? —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] [[File:Email.gif|link=Special:EmailUser/Carlos]] 22:06, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
Something was going wrong with uploaden de PDF of my new entry titled Psaume 23.
:Hi, Carlos. It's just perfect, I'll use it from now. We also need one for "No text on the score" and one for "No text can be seen because of permanently broken links" (so no text can be added on the page, in the contrary of what is shown by the ambiguous 'NoText' template. Thanks. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 05:31, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
I tried to reverse to the version of 24 feb 2024 16:00 (the second loaded). Got however the comment, that that one is exectly the same as the last loaded 24 feb 2024 16:15, which certainly is not the case. For instance, I added my year of birth in the heading.
A new upload from the version of 16:00 (the correct one) also failed.
Could you try to restore the version of 24 feb 2024 16:00?
Thanks in advance.
Wytze Oostenbrug
:Hi, Wytze. Done ;-) I've just had to click on the second line of the file history table that appears when you click on the white icon just right from the regarding PDF icon. You should have been able to do that yourself. Kind Regards. One can sign his words here typing four tildes in a row, producing the following time stamp and signature: [[User:Claude T|Claude T]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 14:40, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


== Cleaned up O Salutaris hostia S. 40 (Franz Liszt) ==
:Hi Claude, That was just what I have done also, but it doesn't work with the version of 16:00, that is really the correct one. That is the second loaded version. Reloading that version gives the error, that it is the same as the current version, which is certainly is not (other size). Perhaps you can remove all loadings after the second (from 24 feb 2024 16:00) or otherwise remove all pdf, so I can add the right one from fresh.[[User:Wytzecpdl|Wytzecpdl]] ([[User talk:Wytzecpdl|talk]]) 16:27, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


I moved the most recent Pandolfo entry and the 2000 Lukin entry to a new page O Salutaris Hostia S. 43 (Franz Liszt).  Hope all is correct. [[User:Brian Marble|Brian Marble]] ([[User talk:Brian Marble|talk]]) 11:25, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
:hi Claude, things are OK now!! So thanks for the help.[[User:Wytzecpdl|Wytzecpdl]] ([[User talk:Wytzecpdl|talk]]) 19:28, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 19:28, 25 February 2024

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New edition not showing up / thanks for the redirect

Hi Claude, thanks for the redirect on my user page (and for bumping my edition of As Vesta was to the top of the page for chronological ordering--I'll be sure to do that next time).

I see my new edition listed when I view As Vesta was while signed in, but not otherwise. Is this normal? Am I missing something?

Thanks!
Maia.mcc (talk) 04:12, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome, Maïa! Recent changes are seen only when connected (logged in). But after a few hours, perhaps a day or so, they remain seeable by anybody.
By the way, we use to add, as a source file, an MXL (compressed musicXML) file with each edition. The reason for that is to be more user-friendly for the users who don't have the same notation software as the editor. If they have a recent software, they can open such file, to adapt the pitch to their choir abilities, to make rehearsal files, etc. You may add any file to your edition clicking on 'Upload a file' in the left pane of any CPDL page, under 'Tools'. You'll also, next time, be able to add an MXL file in lieu of the Sibelius one through the AddWork form. Claude (talk) 06:45, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Michael Praetorius - Quem pastores laudavere a 4

Hi Claude,

there is an existing page of Quem pastores laudavere a 4 (Michael Praetorius), which first edition claims to be from Musae Sioniae, fünffter Theil (Michael Praetorius), but the page is not linked to this publication. The two other publications on this page are similar but different, and all three are not any version from "Musae Sioniae V". (In "Musae Sioniae" the numbers 88, 89 and 90 are "Quem pastores a 4", but with different extras).

So I added a second page Quem pastores laudavere a 4 with children (Michael Praetorius), which I linked to "Musae Sioniae V, No 88".

If I find time I will add No. 89 from the autograph, put it to Quem pastores laudavere a 4 (Michael Praetorius) and link it to "Musae Sioniae V, No. 89", because it's the most similar source for the existing three editions. User:Volker Seibt (talk) 13:16, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your edits. Claude (talk) 14:03, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Appreciation

Thank you for the warm welcome, you are very kind! I am glad to be part of this amazing community. I am grateful to have this once in a lifetime opportunity to work with you and to meet others. It is a pleasure and a privilege for me to be here. I owe you my life! --Music4Ever (talk) 21:35, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Feel free to ask, if any question. Claude (talk) 06:26, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Anytime! --Music4Ever (talk) 06:42, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Samuel Babcock

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_G._Babcock There is no person named Samuel Babcock that is a composer. This Wikipedia source links to a bishop named Samuel G. Babcock. This page also has the wrong birth and death dates. Please delete this. This person is not a composer, he was a bishop. Not relevant to this wiki. --Music4Ever (talk) 17:29, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia version of this guy as a bishop, not a composer

Samuel Gavitt Babcock (1851–1938) was an American bishop in the Protestant Episcopal Church. He graduated from the Episcopal Theological School at Cambridge, Massachusetts, in 1891. After holding pastorates in Rhode Island and Massachusetts he was archdeacon of Massachusetts from 1903 to 1913, when he was elected suffragan bishop of Massachusetts. --Music4Ever (talk) 17:32, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm knowing nothing about him. Please use the forums before any deletion. Claude (talk) 17:36, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Please show me a link to the forums. --Music4Ever (talk) 17:38, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
In the left pane of any CPDL page, including this one ;-) Claude (talk) 17:40, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

2020

Happy new year to you, best wishes for 2020! --Music4Ever (talk) 20:43, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

MXL file

Hi Claude. You added an MXL file to my page https://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Heart_of_Spring_(Mark_Chapman) I have updated the MuseScore file but don't have access to update this one. Thanks. MarkChapman (talk) 04:12, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Mark. Thank you for your contributions. I've updated the MXL file. Next time, feel free to add your own MXL file and warn me to remove mine ;-) Claude (talk) 07:07, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! MarkChapman (talk) 07:30, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks again for the new MXL file. There is apparently a workaround to get MusicXML out of Lilypond, but I haven't mastered it yet.MarkChapman (talk) 11:47, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

At first the mountain rill (George Alexander MacFarren)

Thanks for adding the text, Claude. Must have got distracted after uploading the files.
Jamesgibb (talk) 12:30, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome, James! Claude (talk) 12:31, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Qui habitat by Ortells

Claude, I entered the details of this work today but after doing this I did not get the usual email with the code to use in creating the new work. Did I do something wrong? Jgoodliffe (talk) 17:12, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Jonathan, Many thanks for all your contributions! For what I can see, you uploaded three files concerning that work, but I don't see that you filled the AddWork form as before, for the other works. Please go to the Ortell's composer page, click on 'Add new work' on the upper right part. Fill the AddWork form, but no need to upload the files, you did it already. By the way, adding an MXL (compressed XML) file allows more users to use your edition(s), not only those who have Sibelius. Feel free to upload the MXL file in lieu of the Sibelius one, if you don't want to upload both files. Kind Regards, Claude (talk) 21:37, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Claude. Thanks for this. My version of Sibelius (5.2.5) can only import, not export XML files. The cost of upgrading the software, which in all other respects does everything I want, is disproportionate. However, I will keep an eye out for a possible solution Jgoodliffe (talk) 09:51, 3 March 2020 (UTC)


Thanks...

belatedly, for the welcome, and for fixing my newbie's capitalization error. Wilus (talk) 09:52, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome, William ;-) Claude (talk) 11:47, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Valls Magnificat a 8 (incomplete) #13405

Claude

Could you please rename this work "Magnificat a 8 tertii toni". I have discovered a complete version of it which will shortly be uploaded. Merci bien!

Jonathan Jgoodliffe (talk) 22:24, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Jonathan,
Richard Mix (talk) just did it. Thanks to him.
Claude (talk) 04:59, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Claude

HI, Claude. Thank you for your welcome and for reviewing my page! I'm new to CPDL as a contributor, so I hope I don't make too many mistakes (for example, is really this the place for writing to you?). Yesterday I added some more information on my page, but I can see them only if I'm logged in: Is there something wrong? Have a nice day! Paolo ZoccaratoPaolo Zoccarato (talk) 06:06, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Paolo. You're welcome. You did it all right. It's normal: When one is logged, he reaches the main server, www.cpdl.org, which shows the changes quite instantly. When not logged in, you go to ww1, ww2 or ww3; they show the changes hours after. Kind Regards, Claude (talk) 09:34, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Request of score removal

Hi Claude, I would ask you to remove the music files of Fermarono i cieli (Alfonso Maria de' Liguori) because I am publishing my arrangement with Carus Verlag. You can obviously leave the page and the description. Thank you, Fraspi (talk) 07:59, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Done. Claude (talk) 11:39, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. Would it be possible removing it from the cache <File:Fermarono.pdf> too? Fraspi (talk) 09:59, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
Done. Claude (talk) 11:11, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Settings of Benedictus by Juan del Vado

Claude,

I have 4 settings of the Benedictus by this composer extracted from his masses. Is it OK to put them all on one page (with separate score numbers) or should they each be on a separate page?

Thanks

Jonathan Jgoodliffe (talk) 09:24, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Jonathan. Yes, all on one page, in my opinion. Claude (talk) 09:39, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

As ever I saw

Claude

As well as the Warlock setting of this title Mick and I have produced a reconstructed version of the original music. See http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/As_ever_I_saw_(Anonymous) . For some reason this does not appear on the list of recent works. Can you correct this?

Jonathan Jgoodliffe (talk) 06:24, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Jonathan,
I've restored
[[Category:Sheet music]]
line that was missing at the end of the page (perhaps removed accidentally when you pasted the 'Text and translations' section.
Please restore the accurate [[Category:<Era> music]] just below.
Claude (talk) 06:57, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Done Jgoodliffe (talk) 13:49, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Dido and Aeneas by Purcell

Claude, I see you have effectively managed this work on CPDL. Would you object if I were to edit it just to highlight that it is not "complete", flagging missing movements (such as the prologue) and noting that those movements have been reconctructed (e.g. by Thurston Dart) although they are in copyright so cannot appear on CPDL.

Jonathan Jgoodliffe (talk) 07:31, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

No problem, Jonathan, please proceed. Claude (talk) 10:23, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

…without leaving redirect

Hi Claude, I know you're mindful of clutter, and I've taken to trying not to leave too many redirects when moving pages myself. "What links here" is useful though to avoid redlinks on text- and other hand-maintained pages. I'd be happy to hear what you think about Help talk:Style conventions#Apostophe's though! Richard Mix (talk) 02:13, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

The use of an apostrophe is the responsability of the editor and I respect it.
1. The question here was about typography: using a curved apostrophe.
a. The curved apostrophe is typographically correct and is used for printed material. But as I read in the page you pointed:
Although ubiquitous in typeset material, the typographic apostrophe ( ’ ) is rather difficult to enter on a computer, since it does not have its own key on a standard keyboard.
Until yesterday a user wanting to search for works like L'aura che'l verde Lauro (Luca Marenzio) or I' piango (Luca Marenzio) shouldn't have found them easily, even on the Marenzio['s] page, the creator of that pages having used a curly apostrophe in the title.
b. As our Wiki system rejects the curved apostrophe with the diacritics after Z in the alphabetic sorting, such titles weren't found where expected.
2. As you (and Carlos), I'm "trying not to leave too many redirects when moving pages". So I leaved the curly apostrophe without redirect, because the redirect became superfluous;
3. Perhaps do you imply that I should have searched for links to the old typography throughout all the database. Anyway, ninety percents of composer pages are automatized and such a change is therefore instantly reflected on them. I'm in favo[u]r of automatizing ALL of the front composer pages (not removing other lists but putting them just a click away). The ten percents of composer pages that are manually maintained should be maintained manually by those who don't want them to be automatized.
Claude (talk) 08:10, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

difficulty creating new score pages

Claude,

When I try entering a new score page I get this error message "There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, search the related logs, or create this page". Am I doing something wrong? Also I now find I can log on in Microsoft Edge but not in FireFox. Can you help? Jgoodliffe (talk) 10:02, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Jonathan,
I'm not a specialist, but I guess you're not logged in, when you see that. Please, try to type an 's' after 'http' in the URL address bar above, or a complete 'https://' string before the page title, if you don't see anything before 'www.cpdl.org'. I hope this helps. Claude (talk) 12:52, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
Claude,
Thanks for your help. The score pages mysteriously appeared overnight. In trying to get the system to work yesterday I am afraid I seem to have created 4 redundant music numbers - 697 to 700. Jgoodliffe (talk) 11:27, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
No problem, Jonathan. From time to time, we need such unused CPDL numbers, to split an existing edition or some other reason ;-) Claude (talk) 12:33, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

My User Page

Would you mind explaining to me why you have edited my user page? NicholasNotabene (talk) 15:16, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your contributions to CPDL.
All user pages here are so:
1. A talk page under the declared nickname
2. An editor page under your full name.
Feel free to fill your editor page.
All users may now talk to you on your talk page.
I hope you agree.
Kind Regards, Claude (talk) 15:22, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the reply. NicholasNotabene (talk) 16:20, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Anton Bruckner - Tantum ergo

Dear Claude,

There is apparently some confusions about Anton Bruckner's settings of the Pange lingua and Tantum ergo.

Bruckner composed two settings of the Pange lingua: WAB 31 and WAB 33 (phrygian, with Tantum ergo) and eight Tantum ergo: chronologically WAB 32 (wrongly issued by Grasberger as "Pange lingua, WAB 32), WAB 43, the four settings of WAB 41, WAB 42 and WAB 44.

You have wrongly reverted "Tantum ergo, WAB 32 (Anton Bruckner)" to "Tantum ergo, WAB 31 (Anton Bruckner)". I have reverted it.

There are currently two different pages on WAB 32: "Tantum ergo in D Major, WAB 32 (Anton Bruckner)" and "Tantum ergo, WAB 32 (Anton Bruckner)". These two pages should be merged.

Best regards, Meneerke bloem (talk) 15:48, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

I've merged the most recent page content into the oldest, as usual here (to keep history). Claude (talk) 16:31, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. Meneerke bloem (talk) 18:56, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

My common.js

Hi Claude, you have delete my user Javascript page, the reason was assumed spam/vandalism. This javascript page only affects my own useraccount and nobody else or anything else on this wiki. Why would I want to vandalize or spam my own user account? I just added a gadget which I use for my useraccounts on many other wikis, I am storing the code centralized in a wiki where I have admin rights. This is where the include-statement comes from, there is absolute no harm in it. If you do not want users create their own javascript page a bureaucrat can to change the wiki's central settings, Manuela (talk) 14:16, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Manuela,
Just after I removed the script (the reason had to be choosen in a short list, not quite appropriate, though), I wanted to restore it. A bug in the system didn't let me succeed in that. I then took advice by my fellow admin Max who mainly wrote: "I get the same error: I guess that there may be a bug or some special configuration to do when handling pages containing Javascript code.", "It seems this user registered in 2016, and only used our wiki to test wiki code probably used somewhere else. The Javascript code entered is a custom code used on another wiki " and "It's probably unharmful, however I'm not that happy that someone uses our wiki as if it were their test wiki...". Claude (talk) 14:35, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
I am not using this wiki as testwiki, I have added some scores in 2016. I wanted to add more then, for some reason which I do not remember I did not continue, maybe because I started to create my own wikis, Manuela (talk) 20:54, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps that page could help you: User:Claude_T/DPL_queries/LY I suppose that scripts are allowed only by admins, here as on all other wikis. Claude (talk) 21:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for the link, Claude. I could not figure out an easy way to find all Lilypond scores, and Lilypond code is displayed as text without syntax highlighting, I guess this were the reasons why I stopped editing her, greetings Manuela (talk) 08:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
You're welcome, Manuela. Claude (talk) 08:31, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Why dost thou shoot (Wilbye)

Claude, for some reason, Capella produces a corrupt mxl file, with the bass missing. Seth spotted this and I tried reloading, but it didn't work. The same thing was true of the version you uploaded. I'll try playing around with the format, but I think the file needs deleting if it has errors. Hope you are surviving the boredom of Covid. At least, the number of contibutions stays high! Jamesgibb (talk) 08:12, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Ah, Ok, feel free to remove link and file itself.
Yes, all well here: more time for site maintenance ;-) Claude (talk) 10:17, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

It occurred to me that it might be a problem with the multiple curved braces in the system, since I seem to recall that earlier unsolved problems involved my editions with multiple braces. So I produced a revised version without braces. However, when I uploaded the mxl file, deleting the previous one, and then downloaded the mxl file from the works page, it was the old version that appeared! Jamesgibb (talk) 10:56, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

I've seen that in the past. Machines on Internet don't resend a file if it has the same name on your disk, even if its content is different. The solution is to delete the previous version in the list. Using a different browser generally does the trick. Claude (talk) 11:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Right, I've changed the name of the mxl file before uploading and that seems to have solved the problem! Didn't need to change browsers. Do you still have a list of the my uploads where we had similar problem withe the mxl file?Jamesgibb (talk)

I think there is a problem with Capella when creating mxl files that have more than one curly brace. I've just uploaded a version of The Goslings (Bridge) and when I checked the file that has been uploaded, the stave descriptions were misplaced. So I'll adjust for that in the future.Jamesgibb (talk) 15:06, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

i don't retrieve the list of missing MXL files. I remember there were just a few. I opened the file mentioned above, under Finale, and it seems correct to me, including a (singing) Bass line. Claude (talk) 16:04, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Odes to Music

Claude

Is it worth having a specific category for "odes to music". These would include, for instance, Schubert's "An die musik" and Purcell's "Music for a while". There are quite a few of these on CPDL already and I am working on one by the composer Maurice Greene at the moment. Jgoodliffe (talk) 12:03, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I've no advice about the question. Please try the forums or another admin. Claude (talk) 13:02, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

New works remain in cache

Hi Claude, I'm rather new to CPDL, so I'm wondering why my last 4 new work contributions (since June 13) remain visible in the cache as well as in the normal list. I saw you did some small editing on my editions which is quite OK.

Hi, Wytze, on your composer page, I clicked on ‘Edit’, then on ‘Save’ and renewed the operation. BTW, three of your files remain orphans (they aren't linked from/to any 'Requiem' work page). Please create the corresponding work page soon. Claude (talk) 12:06, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi, Wytze. Thanks for your Requiem. Claude (talk) 14:57, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

New edition PDF cannot be opened

Hello, Claude. I've been reworking the Distler Jahrkreis. At No. 11 (Wie Schön leucht't) I cannot open the PDF that I recently uploaded. I tried to upload it again, but it was rejected as an identical file. Also, with No. 1 (O Heiland, reiss die Himmel auf), I cannot update the MXL file, also rejected as identical. If you have and suggestions, I'd be grateful for them.


Jim Pearson

Hi, Jim. 1. At No. 11, We can see, clicking on the white icon, just right of the PDF one (that leads to the file history: File:Distler11WieSchön.pdf) that you uploaded under the same name and extension different files that aren't PDF ones. I've just reverted your uploads to the last correct PDF version. 2. At No. 1, I've removed the MXL file to make way for you to upload and link it. To update further files, just let me know. Kind Regards, Claude.

new member help

Dear Claude, I am new to CPDL. I am a collector of old music and also a composer and arranger. I have transcribed into Finale 2014 many early works. I have just upgraded to the new finale 27 but have not updated my 2014 files as I wanted to make sure before I start that work that I am doing it the right way to make it available on CPDL or some other platform.

Among many other compositions, I have transcribed the following complete collections:

1. William Boyce: Cathedral Music Vol. 1-3 first edition. I have done this as sort of an Urtext leaving the original clefs, time signatures, etc. I have also typed in the figured bass as provided by Boyce

2. William Boyce / Vincent Novello: Novello's organ realization (1850s) of Boyce's Cathedral Music Vol. 1-3

3. Samuel Arnold: Cathedral Music Vol. 1-3 first edition. I have done this as sort of an Urtext leaving the original clefs, time signatures, etc. I have also typed in the figured bass as provided by Arnold

4. Samuel Arnold: Organ realization by Samuel Arnold of his Cathedral Music (about 1790)

5. Maurice Greene 40 Anthems first edition -- again as an Urtext

I have many more but these are a sample.


I want to know how to proceed and have the following questions. a. Is this the right platform for these old compositions? b. Finale 27 stores the files in a **.musx file. It also allows an export to: **.PDF, **MusicXML, and **MIDI files. Do I submit all 4 file types? c. I also do transcribe and translate old Spanish documents for the Cibola project at Berkeley U. of California. For those projects I take high resolution photos of the individual pages and provide them for the fellow researchers. Does CPDL also want that for these old documents? d. How do I proceed? Should I try to submit one of my transcriptions and then ask you to edit/check the work before I follow with the others?

Sorry to have so many questions but I am a neophyte and want to do this work in the best fashion.

Mike Wallen Mike Wallen (talk) 12:47, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Mike. Thanks for coming to us and willing to contribute. This is the right place, concerning all choral/vocal music.
As you can see, we already have a composer page for William Boyce and other composers you cited. So, the straight way to take is to check (on composer page) if the work has already a work page. If yes, just click on "Add new edition" (upper right part of the work page). If not, just click on "Add new work" (upper right part of the composer page).
AddWork form that opens has to be filled, including picking files to upload (there is a line for one of each file type: PDF, MXL (compressed MusicXML), and so on). I consider that these two formats are recommanded and are sufficient for most of our users, should they be conductors or singers.
Our general architecture is based on one independant work page for each composition, that is, containing all movements of the work and all editions contributed by all our editors. Work pages are automatically linked from/to their corresponding composer page.
You'll also see that we already have publication pages as Cathedral Music, Volume 1 (William_Boyce). A newly edited work page appears on its corresponding publication(s) when the 'Pub[lished]' field of the AddWork form is correctly filled. That can be adjusted later.
About [manuscript] facsimiles, particularly of instrumental music, please consider IMSLP procedures.
Receive our warm welcome in advance for your contributions. Don't hesitate to ask for more. Claude (talk) 13:57, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Missa Quand'io pens'al martire (Orlando di Lasso)

Hi Claude,

I've noticed you adding MXL files and, not yet having braved PhotoScore, wonder if I might ask you for Missa Quand'io pens'al martire (Orlando di Lasso) for a friend who wants a transposition? Regards, Richard Mix (talk) 02:04, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Richard. I don't add MXL files to PDFs under 'Personal' copyright, sorry. Claude (talk) 07:52, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Page title wrong / cannot move page

Hi Claude,

The page title for Weinachts Oratorium (Christmas Oratorio), BWV_248 (Johann Sebastian Bach) has an ugly spelling mistake "Weinachts Oratorium" (should be spelled "Weihnachtsoratorium" with an "h" and it is just one word). It seems I don't have the right to move the page, but maybe you can? Christof Chen

Thanks for spotting this. Done. By the way, you can sign your words with four tildes in a row. ;-) Claude (talk) 14:38, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Alleluia: Maria Dei Genitrix (Adam Rener)

Hi Claude, I noticed you moved this page to Alleluia: Maria Dei Genitrix (D-Ju MS 33) (Adam Rener). Disambiguation would be needed if he wrote other Alleluia: Maria Dei Genitrix that are found in different sources, but is that the case here? NG lists only the one. Richard Mix (talk) 08:44, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

I agree, Richard, so I went back to the previous page title. Claude T (talk) 10:46, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Repeated duplicate Add work forms submitted under your name.

Hi Claude. Since about an hour an a half ago, there have been four essentially duplicate Add work forms submitted for " Abschiedslied der Zugvögel, Op. 63 No. 2 (Felix Mendelssohn)", all supposedly by you, with manual wiki code submission option: yes. The "user/submitter" has used your name and two of the three email addresses that I have on file for you. The CPDL numbers thus used are 70040-70043. But none of these has actually been posted. I'm not sure what to do about this or or how we might block further malicious submissions like this. Anyway, I thought you need to know. -- Chucktalk Giffen 17:10, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Chuck. It's me. I try to create a new edition and I don't see anything appear on the corresponding work page nor in my mailbox(es), even in addscore@cpdl.org! Claude T (talk) 17:19, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi Claude. I just forwarded a copy of the CPDL 70040 submission. I hope you get it!! -- Chucktalk Giffen 17:44, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, Chuck, I've been able to add my edition at Abschiedslied der Zugvögel, Op. 63 No. 2 (Felix Mendelssohn). Claude T (talk) 18:55, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Help with editing a page

Hello,

I uploaded a work Mia vita and made a duplicate page with the title Madrigal under Salamone Rossi. Is it possible to delete the Madrigal page?

Thank you, Jameshiggs (talk) 23:51, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Geoffrey (GeoffG (talk) has already removed the page. Thanks to him. Claude T (talk) 06:28, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Strip the willow

Apologies for creating two unrequired pages (The willow song (Christopher Shaw) and a composer page in my name. This was due to the recurring trouble of aggressive auto completion. I have raised a note on the forum: i'm afraid the the superfluous pages need to be deleted, not further incorporated.Cjshawcj (talk) 19:33, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Done ;-) Claude T (talk) 19:42, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Unhosted composers

Claude,

I want to upload a score by Daniel Purcell who is classified as an "unhosted" composer. The option to "add new work" is not available. How should I add the new score?

Thanks for your help

Jonathan Jgoodliffe (talk) 09:41, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Jonathan. I’ve removed the « unhosted » tag. Let me know if there’s another issue left. Claude T (talk) 10:59, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Claude, that seems tyo have solved the problem, thanks Jonathan Jgoodliffe (talk) 11:57, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

MXL addition

Thanks… I was unaware I could add both MSCZ and MXL (the form didn’t give me that option), and this is my first upload here. Perhaps either the form could be amended or this could be mentioned in the docs?

mirabilos (talk) 17:18, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi... (Your first name here ;-). Thanks for your contributions to this site. You are right, only one line is given for a "Music notation file". I guess that programmers have thought that one would upload an .mscz file OR an MXL one [the MXL one being usable by quite all users, the MSCZ one only for MuseScore users]. So, feel free to add only the MXL file. If you want, you may also upload manually your MSCZ file, adding then a link to it, copied/pasted from one of the links in the edition.
By the way, I must say that all users may use only their nickname to download files, write anything,… until they create a (copyrighted) edition, whatever the copyright is, even a no-copyright one. All people may know who has the rights or has freed the copyright. So, if you agree, let me know what [First name-Name] should be used for editor. Your talk page will ever remain as "mirabilos". Claude T (talk) 17:43, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
I’d rather supply the MSCZ file as well because that’s the original and MusicXML export is… incomplete, I guess. But I can easily add both, I generate them already anyway.
Copyright law specifically permits pseudonymous publications (https://dejure.org/gesetze/UrhG/66.html and §10 as well), and we can even have them added in our ID cards in Europe, so it will remain as this. mirabilos (talk) 17:54, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Modification de fichier XML

Bonjour Claude,

J'ai apporté des corrections à A - 31 Psaume et Acclamation. Or, c'est vous qui aviez téléversé le fichier XML. Je ne peux donc pas le corriger.

Je change son nom. Vous pouvez donc supprimer le vôtre.

Bien à vous,

Rémi.

Excellent, merci, Rémi, de me l'avoir signalé. J'ai supprimé mon fichier obsolète. Claude T (talk) 07:24, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Du lenkest alles (Philippe Goibaud-Dubois)

Dear Mr. Tallet,

thank You for Your correction of Du lenkest alles (Philippe Goibaud-Dubois). May You correct a little mistake which i have done? The title must be "Du lenkest alle" (without s in alles). I cannot correct this myself methinks. Thank You and best regards Michael Hauber. Michael Hauber (talk) 14:27, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Done. ;-) Claude T (talk) 15:10, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Merci! MH

MXL File

Hi Claude, thank you for your advice. I prepare my music files with LilyPond, thus I don't have an MusicXML-Export. Sorry. Greetings Burkard (Temuta) Temuta

Ah, Ok then ;-) Claude T (talk) 07:10, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank you for your welcome, Claude!

I stumbled a bit by adding a descriptor to the Anonymous composer of second title that I submitted - sorry about that.

I'm not sure if it's worth the trouble to fix that, or easier to leave it as is: Anonymous (Medieval Organum, c. 1000-1100)

I should have left it as simply "Anonymous" and put the other notes in the editor remarks.

At any rate, thank you for your work and your hospitality.

John Jstromgren (talk) 23:57, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi, John, you're welcome! "Category:Anonymous compositions" includes already 1,645 works, so specifications, often about publication source, have already been included in composer name (between parentheses) by users.
Kind Regards, Claude. Claude T (talk) 07:20, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Psaume 23 by Wytze Oostenbrug

Dear Claude,

Something was going wrong with uploaden de PDF of my new entry titled Psaume 23. I tried to reverse to the version of 24 feb 2024 16:00 (the second loaded). Got however the comment, that that one is exectly the same as the last loaded 24 feb 2024 16:15, which certainly is not the case. For instance, I added my year of birth in the heading. A new upload from the version of 16:00 (the correct one) also failed. Could you try to restore the version of 24 feb 2024 16:00? Thanks in advance. Wytze Oostenbrug

Hi, Wytze. Done ;-) I've just had to click on the second line of the file history table that appears when you click on the white icon just right from the regarding PDF icon. You should have been able to do that yourself. Kind Regards. One can sign his words here typing four tildes in a row, producing the following time stamp and signature: Claude T (talk) 14:40, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi Claude, That was just what I have done also, but it doesn't work with the version of 16:00, that is really the correct one. That is the second loaded version. Reloading that version gives the error, that it is the same as the current version, which is certainly is not (other size). Perhaps you can remove all loadings after the second (from 24 feb 2024 16:00) or otherwise remove all pdf, so I can add the right one from fresh.Wytzecpdl (talk) 16:27, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
hi Claude, things are OK now!! So thanks for the help.Wytzecpdl (talk) 19:28, 25 February 2024 (UTC)