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: In almost all English language references that I've checked, this oratorio is indeed referred to as ''The Creation'', whether the definite article is warranted or not. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]] [[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 18:19, 2 October 2009 (UTC) | : In almost all English language references that I've checked, this oratorio is indeed referred to as ''The Creation'', whether the definite article is warranted or not. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]] [[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 18:19, 2 October 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Almost? My curiosity is aroused! I'm not entirely happy and agonized over naming the page ''The Creation'' instead of ''Die Schöpfung''. The issue isnt really one of a lingua franca but of which title is the 'original': the commissioned libretto sung at the premiere, or Haydn's 'working version'. It's a very hard call; even US performers sometimes opt for the German text as able to more closely convey the composer's intentions to an English-speaking audience. [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] 05:16, 3 October 2009 (UTC) | ::Almost? My curiosity is aroused! I'm not entirely happy and agonized over naming the page ''The Creation'' instead of ''Die Schöpfung''. The issue isnt really one of a lingua franca but of which title is the 'original': the commissioned libretto sung at the premiere, or Haydn's 'working version'. It's a very hard call; even US performers sometimes opt for the German text as able to more closely convey the composer's intentions to an English-speaking audience. [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] 05:16, 3 October 2009 (UTC) | ||
== To do list == | |||
#A list of all movements, deciding on a particular numbering system (some editions dont number the chaos-overture, Novello (iirc) numbers the two Achieved's 27a and 27b... | |||
#Merge ''The Heavens/Die Himmel'' | |||
#Subpage for 'no. 26' | |||
#Text page | |||
#link other IMSLP editions and facsimiles | |||
[[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] 05:46, 3 October 2009 (UTC) |
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English title
Much as I agree that English should serve as a lingua franca on cpdl, I'm not quite sure this instance is the most adequate translation. Die Schöpfung takes an article in German, but even as a non-native English speaker (just an obnoxious teacher of it), I'm not quite sure the article is warranted in English. A noun of general reference doesn't usually take an article, in my understanding: "[---] Traffic is very busy at that time of day" or "[---] People think it's easy to live a life like that". No English speaker would contemplate using an article in those cases, I think. Putseys (1994) says "omission of the overt the-form of the classifiying definite article is possible with a singular count noun when the NP [...] denotes a unique role", which I think applies to Creation. joachim 18:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
- In almost all English language references that I've checked, this oratorio is indeed referred to as The Creation, whether the definite article is warranted or not. -- Chucktalk Giffen♫ 18:19, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
- Almost? My curiosity is aroused! I'm not entirely happy and agonized over naming the page The Creation instead of Die Schöpfung. The issue isnt really one of a lingua franca but of which title is the 'original': the commissioned libretto sung at the premiere, or Haydn's 'working version'. It's a very hard call; even US performers sometimes opt for the German text as able to more closely convey the composer's intentions to an English-speaking audience. Richard Mix 05:16, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
To do list
- A list of all movements, deciding on a particular numbering system (some editions dont number the chaos-overture, Novello (iirc) numbers the two Achieved's 27a and 27b...
- Merge The Heavens/Die Himmel
- Subpage for 'no. 26'
- Text page
- link other IMSLP editions and facsimiles
Richard Mix 05:46, 3 October 2009 (UTC)