Talk:Peter Carter

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Hi, and welcome to CPDL. I took a fairly bold hand to Alleluia for the Assumption – Gregorian Chant Adaptation (Peter Carter) and moved it to Alleluia: Assumpta est Maria (Gregorian chant); most potential users will search by incipit, and the custom has been to combine various harmonizations (as well as languages) on one page, as at Veni Sancte Spiritus (Gregorian chant). If you feel strongly about being listed as composer though, there are precedents where the arrangement/composition line blurs like Gloria sei dir gesungen (J. S. Bach) vs. In exitu Israel de Aegypto (Gregorian chant) ;-) or for a messier example Veni, veni Emmanuel (O come, O come Emmanuel) (Traditional) vs. Veni veni Emmanuel (Carlotta Ferrari) &c.

In any case I hope you'll enjoy contributing to CPDL and look forward to more of your editions! Richard Mix (talk) 21:02, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! I am new to publishing on CPDL so am still trying to figure out the best way to post my music. (User talk:Peter Carter)
Hello. May I suggest a few cleanup items, to make your pages work better and that others will be able to find easier?
  1. On your composer page, please fill in your nationality at the bottom, at [[Category:Nationality composers]]. You can find a list of these at Composers grouped by nationality.
  2. The usual practice at CPDL for masses is to have the mass on a single page, with sections/movements listed on that page. There are many examples; a few I can think of: Mass for Four Voices (William Byrd), Missa de bomba (Pedro Bermúdez).
  3. The two Missal Chants pages should be just one, probably called "Missal Chants (Peter Carter)". Generally different language editions of the same work should appear on the same page.
I'm in complete agreement about merging Latin & English, but those each consist of Sanctus XVIII (Gregorian chant) and Agnus Dei XVIII (Anonymous) (identical to Missa pro defunctis (Gregorian chant)) with the newish Mysterium fidei, maybe candidates for merging into Missa XVIII (primitiva) (Gregorian chant) as the current books label them. Richard Mix (talk) 09:27, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
4. The categories automatically produced by the Language, Voicing, and other templates (that you fill in when creating a work page) will automatically be added to your work, so things like "harmonized" and "in English" are unnecessary in the page title. Please see Richard Mix's suggestions above.
5. The numbered masses: "Mass XVII" etc. Are these your compositions? If not, where did you get them from? Perhaps they are Gregorian Chant Mass XVII etc.? There are over 1,000 masses here (see Category:Masses).
I would be glad to help you with these items if you wish. — Barry Johnston (talk) 03:19, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
Could you move both of my page for "Harmonized Ubi Caritas Refrain with Latin Verses" to the "Ubi caritas (Gregorian chant)" page? Based on what you said, it seems the separate pages for "Harmonized Ubi Caritas Refrain with English Verses" and "Harmonized Ubi Caritas Refrain with Latin Verses" should be deleted. Also, you are both correct that my harmonizations are all arrangements so it makes sense that they wouldn't be catalogued as original compositions. Would it be possible to create a "Roman Missal Chants (Gregorian chant)" page and then the harmonizations could be catalogued there? They don't fit as easily being catalogued as Mass XVIII since the mysterium fidei is technically not part of Mass XVIII but is part of the Roman Missal Chants.(User talk:Peter Carter)
Moved the Music files to Ubi caritas (Gregorian chant), and deleted both of your "Harmonized Ubi Caritas" pages, as requested.
I notice Richard Mix's comments (09:27 30 March), and Peter Carter's statement that Mysterium fidei is not really part of Mass XVIII. I'm not sure what to do here. Since Missa XVIII (primitiva) (Gregorian chant) doesn't exist yet, perhaps create it as a Redirect page to Roman Missal Chants (Gregorian chant), the latter page being properly labeled as to origins?
Thank you. I think creating a Roman Missal Chants (Gregorian chant) page would be the best way for my Roman Missal Chant harmonizations to be catalogued. (User talk:Peter Carter)
That's still not a very good page name, the Roman Missal being one huge book, and Chants from the Roman Missal (2011), which has a basic Order of Service with Kyrie XVI, Mozarabic Gloria XV, Credo I, Sanctus & Agnus XVIII & 3 versions of the Mystery of Faith, being over 300pp. I think the easiest solution is to merge to Missa XVIII with a Edition note that only Sanctus & Agnus are included, and Mysterium 'A' is added. Richard Mix (talk) 19:59, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
That would be fine with me. Tuespetruscarter (talk) 19:23, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
Is the "Funeral Mass" on Peter Carter page a composition of Peter Carter, or does it derive elsewhere? — Barry Johnston (talk) 04:02, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
The Funeral Mass movements I now realize should be moved to the Missa pro defunctis (Gregorian chant) page and place as the individual movements of the Mass. If you could do this and delete them as original compositions I would appreciate it. I am complete beginner with cpdl so thank you for your patience as I am learning how everything works. (User talk:Peter Carter)
I have done all but the moves to Missa pro defunctis (Gregorian chant) – I don't really know how to do this right. Also, Richard, you should added a page for . (And Peter, in your last post you wiped out all my edits from earlier today (and even one of yours!) – did you mean to do that? It's okay anyway, I can figure it out.) — Barry Johnston (talk) 20:29, 1 April 2022 (UTC)