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== Verified Editions ==
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I don't get it ... can someone explain to me how they're supposed to work? [[User:Kkroon|Kkroon]] 15:47, 3 March 2008 (PST)
That sounds good Kkroon. What is this feature on your spreadsheet program - concaterate? - what does it mean and what does it do? [[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] 04:41, 4 October 2006 (PDT)
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Kurtis replies:
== Edit to [[Pietro Yon]] ==
CONCATENATE takes all its parameters and chains them together in the order given. The word comes from (Vulgar?) Latin <em>concatenare</em>: con "together" + catena "chain" + verbal ending. So, "to chain together".


Here's how I use it: in my spreadsheet program, I list page titles in column A, and CPDL IDs in column B. In column C, I type:
Hi Kurtis. Thanks for adding the birth and deaths dates on [[Pietro Yon]]. I've just restored the categories that you deleted when you did that as they are used in the composer anniversaries system and for other uses. I think I understand why you deleted them - if you edit on Wikipedia, that's the process - if the page is categorised as "unknown" something then you add the info and remove the category to show that it's no longer unknown. Also, when I came to leave this message, I noticed that your user page isn't titled with your full name so I moved it, retaining the redirects and I corrected the links on [[Vide Domine (Jan Dismas Zelenka)]]. I also corrected the links to the Creative Commons site that wasn't formatted correctly. Regards --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 00:01, 15 January 2008 (PST)
 
<code>
<nowiki>=CONCATENATE("[[",A2,"|",B2,"]]&lt;br&gt;")</nowiki>
</code>
 
For a more concrete example, say cell A2 contains the text "Margot labourez les vignes (Jacob Arcadelt)", and cell B2 contains "687". The concatenate function strings everything together with the pertinent wiki markup (<nowiki>[[ | ]]</nowiki>), and writes <nowiki>[[Margot labourez les vignes (Jacob Arcadelt)|687]]&lt;br></nowiki> in cell C2. I copy this from my spreadsheet and paste it into the page I'm editing, and the Wiki does the rest.
 
I don't actually retype the function each time: instead, I use my spreadsheet's fill function (Edit > Fill ... > Down).
 
I hope this explanation helps ... and I can send you my spreadsheet if you want.
 
[[User:Kkroon|Kkroon]], 2006-10-21
 
== Verified Editions ==
 
Oh and by the way, at least some of the editions that you said you couldn't find are on CPDL. Try typing #602 into the search box. [[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] 05:12, 4 October 2006 (PDT)
 
I didn't say that this method was <em>flawless</em>. I should have said "it's better than stabbing blindly in the dark". [[User:Kkroon|Kkroon]] 21 October


== Genre categories and Christmas ==
== Genre categories and Christmas ==
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: Thank you, and I apologize if I stepped on anyone's toes. [[User:Kkroon|Kkroon]] 2006-10-30T22:45-08:00
: Thank you, and I apologize if I stepped on anyone's toes. [[User:Kkroon|Kkroon]] 2006-10-30T22:45-08:00


== Edit to [[Pietro Yon]] ==
== Verified Editions ==
 
<blockquote>
That sounds good Kkroon. What is this feature on your spreadsheet program - concaterate? - what does it mean and what does it do? [[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] 04:41, 4 October 2006 (PDT)
</blockquote>
 
Kurtis replies:
CONCATENATE takes all its parameters and chains them together in the order given. The word comes from (Vulgar?) Latin <em>concatenare</em>: con "together" + catena "chain" + verbal ending. So, "to chain together".
 
Here's how I use it: in my spreadsheet program, I list page titles in column A, and CPDL IDs in column B. In column C, I type:
 
<code>
<nowiki>=CONCATENATE("[[",A2,"|",B2,"]]&lt;br&gt;")</nowiki>
</code>
 
For a more concrete example, say cell A2 contains the text "Margot labourez les vignes (Jacob Arcadelt)", and cell B2 contains "687". The concatenate function strings everything together with the pertinent wiki markup (<nowiki>[[ | ]]</nowiki>), and writes <nowiki>[[Margot labourez les vignes (Jacob Arcadelt)|687]]&lt;br></nowiki> in cell C2. I copy this from my spreadsheet and paste it into the page I'm editing, and the Wiki does the rest.
 
I don't actually retype the function each time: instead, I use my spreadsheet's fill function (Edit > Fill ... > Down).
 
I hope this explanation helps ... and I can send you my spreadsheet if you want.
 
[[User:Kkroon|Kkroon]], 2006-10-21
 
Oh and by the way, at least some of the editions that you said you couldn't find are on CPDL. Try typing #602 into the search box. [[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] 05:12, 4 October 2006 (PDT)


Hi Kurtis. Thanks for adding the birth and deaths dates on [[Pietro Yon]]. I've just restored the categories that you deleted when you did that as they are used in the composer anniversaries system and for other uses. I think I understand why you deleted them - if you edit on Wikipedia, that's the process - if the page is categorised as "unknown" something then you add the info and remove the category to show that it's no longer unknown. Also, when I came to leave this message, I noticed that your user page isn't titled with your full name so I moved it, retaining the redirects and I corrected the links on [[Vide Domine (Jan Dismas Zelenka)]]. I also corrected the links to the Creative Commons site that wasn't formatted correctly. Regards --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 00:01, 15 January 2008 (PST)
I didn't say that this method was <em>flawless</em>. I should have said "it's better than stabbing blindly in the dark". [[User:Kkroon|Kkroon]] 21 October

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"Substituted" templates

I don't get it ... can someone explain to me how they're supposed to work? Kkroon 15:47, 3 March 2008 (PST)

Edit to Pietro Yon

Hi Kurtis. Thanks for adding the birth and deaths dates on Pietro Yon. I've just restored the categories that you deleted when you did that as they are used in the composer anniversaries system and for other uses. I think I understand why you deleted them - if you edit on Wikipedia, that's the process - if the page is categorised as "unknown" something then you add the info and remove the category to show that it's no longer unknown. Also, when I came to leave this message, I noticed that your user page isn't titled with your full name so I moved it, retaining the redirects and I corrected the links on Vide Domine (Jan Dismas Zelenka). I also corrected the links to the Creative Commons site that wasn't formatted correctly. Regards --Bobnotts talk 00:01, 15 January 2008 (PST)

Genre categories and Christmas

I changed the genre category for Ich steh... (Bach) from Category:Uknown_genre to Category:Carols - which is how this work should be classified. It might help for you to check the ChoralWiki:Music Subcategories page to see what relevant categories already exist. I hope this helps, because your efforts are much appreciated.

I've indented all my comments like this. As for the Music Subcategories page, I didn't know it existed. Now that I do, I'll actually refer to it.

As for the new Christmas category you've created, we have been reluctant in the past to launch a Category:Christmas_music [for] several reasons: (1) there is the question as to whether Advent and Epiphany music should be included (such works often appear on "Christmas concerts" or are sung in church services at or near Christmas;

I've always been fussy about proper categorization—so I would classify music specific to Advent as Advent music, and so on. Of course, just because pieces are classified as Advent or Epiphany won't stop choruses from performing them in "Christmas" concert … which are technically "Advent" concerts (because they usually precede Christmas).

(cont'd) (2) there is the question of whether we should also similarly categorise such seasonal music as Easter music, Lenten music, Ascension Music, Pentecost music (you get the idea);

If it's proper for a specific liturgical celebration, I think we should classify it as such. I don't celebrate organized holidays per se, but I think we should provide that information for those who do … especially if they need "liturgically appropriate" music.

(3) the sheer quantity of such Christmas music is enormous, and hence it has been felt that launching such a category for Christmas (and/or categories for other seasonal music) should only be attempted when we can expect a commitment of (probably several) volunteers to devote concentrated energy to the arduous task fleshing out such a category as completely as possible.

Aye … there's the rub. Define the phrase "devote concentrated energy". It probably involves all that free time that I don't have …

In the meantime the Category:Carols captures most of what people are looking for, and indeed your new Category:Christmas only has two entries which are also correctly categorised as Carols.

Agreed, though I still think it's a worthy cause.

OF COURSE, if you are intending to spend a LOT of time categorizing Christmas music ...

I think that another season (with less music) would be a better "proof-of-concept". I'd hate to have to eat the whole Christmas elephant by myself. Now … if no one's under any time pressure—"I need repertoire for Advent (not Christmas or Epiphany), and I need it yesterday"—hey, I'll step up to the plate (or is that "podium"?)

Cheers! ChuckGiffen 07:51, 30 October 2006 (PST)

Thank you, and I apologize if I stepped on anyone's toes. Kkroon 2006-10-30T22:45-08:00

Verified Editions

That sounds good Kkroon. What is this feature on your spreadsheet program - concaterate? - what does it mean and what does it do? Bobnotts 04:41, 4 October 2006 (PDT)

Kurtis replies: CONCATENATE takes all its parameters and chains them together in the order given. The word comes from (Vulgar?) Latin concatenare: con "together" + catena "chain" + verbal ending. So, "to chain together".

Here's how I use it: in my spreadsheet program, I list page titles in column A, and CPDL IDs in column B. In column C, I type:

=CONCATENATE("[[",A2,"|",B2,"]]<br>")

For a more concrete example, say cell A2 contains the text "Margot labourez les vignes (Jacob Arcadelt)", and cell B2 contains "687". The concatenate function strings everything together with the pertinent wiki markup ([[ | ]]), and writes [[Margot labourez les vignes (Jacob Arcadelt)|687]]<br> in cell C2. I copy this from my spreadsheet and paste it into the page I'm editing, and the Wiki does the rest.

I don't actually retype the function each time: instead, I use my spreadsheet's fill function (Edit > Fill ... > Down).

I hope this explanation helps ... and I can send you my spreadsheet if you want.

Kkroon, 2006-10-21

Oh and by the way, at least some of the editions that you said you couldn't find are on CPDL. Try typing #602 into the search box. Bobnotts 05:12, 4 October 2006 (PDT)

I didn't say that this method was flawless. I should have said "it's better than stabbing blindly in the dark". Kkroon 21 October