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Welcome to CPDL! We hope you will contribute much and well. You will probably want to read the help pages. Again, welcome and have fun! Claude (talk) 07:30, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Just want to add how impressed I am by your work on publication pages! Richard Mix (talk) 18:31, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks! I am grateful for your appreciation. I think publication pages are super important, because any wiki is strengthened by adding links, publications are critical primary sources, and it's an opportunity to link to facsimiles, which hopefully increases their availability for those transcribing scores. I may not be adding scores myself, but I like to think I am contributing. GeoffG (talk) 20:00, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Croce Penitential psalms

Wotcher. Welcome to the nightmare world of Croce's multiple printings! There seems to be some trouble with multiple pages for these psalms. Even allowing for a merger of two similar pages, the categorization as a "larger work" seems to me specious - it is no more a larger work than any other collection of motets, and should be accorded the same treatment, with a bog-standard publication page. Currently the component works are double counted on the work page (or treble counted, if you include the English contrafacts) being listed both as a larger work, and as individual items. The problem seems to stem from the fact that Sabine Cassola often directs that works are lumped together in proprietary (non-standard) bundles. Cjshawcj (talk) 09:30, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

P.S. After writing the above, I have noticed that today a new proprietary bundle has been posted (Tomkins Seven penitential psalms). This too is double-counted on the composer page. I don't believe that editorial repackaging should be incorporated on CPDL workpages. What is the party-line?Cjshawcj (talk) 10:04, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to adminship!

Hi Geoffrey, thank you for accepting our invitation to become an admin on CPDL! A complete list of what an admin can do is available here, but only a fraction of these are used more often: deleting and undeleting pages, protecting pages from editing by ordinary users (usually only done for highly-used templates), and dealing with users (blocking, occasionally merging or renaming usernames etc.) Don't worry about these things for now, you'll get used to the tools as the situation arises to use them. You may want to have a look at this Wikipedia page that explains more thoroughly each of the tools (but take into account that there are minor differences in use between Wikipedia and CPDL). Your name was added to our table of administrators, feel free to edit it and include in the list any other languages you may know. When in doubt, you may always ask for help from me or any of the other active admins in that list. Regards, —Carlos (talk) 22:12, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Editing pages just created

Hi Geoff, yesterday you added publication information to the page Beati omnes qui timent Dominum (Joachim a Burgk) I had added a few minutes before. When I wanted to add further information (links to mxl files, text link, and links to two publication pages, one of them the one by Burgk i had just created), I got a message concerning an "editing conflict" (don't remember the correct name). You had done some of the work I was also doing, but I had to overwrite part of it, because in the meantime Burgk's collection had been added by me. When adding new works, in my opinion there often will be some addition a short time after, be it the collection page, as was the case yesterday, or a separate text page with linking other existing works to that page. So I would propose that you wait, say, for at least an hour before you start editing a new page, to avoid duplicate handling and editing conflicts. Gerhard Weydt (talk) 11:32, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

So sorry, Gerhard! I didn't notice what was going on there until I had done it. You're right, of course, I should have checked the times. I am probably out of the habit of expecting that situation because when I add a page I try to prepare the whole thing in Notepad, then add it all at once, so that that very thing I did, which has happened to me in the past, doesn't happen to me anymore. My sympathies and sincerest apologies! GeoffG (talk) 16:22, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for your kind reply, Geoff! The same situation happened to me some months ago, caused by another one of the administrators. I indeed had planned to add the page for the publication beforehand, thinking that a workpage reference shown in red would not be as tempting as a missing attribution of a work to a publication. But when the time had come I had forgotten that and started with adding the work first. I am still wondering, though, why it took me more than a quarter of an hour before I started editing the work page, as I also had prepared the text in advance, although not completely; this is a good idea. I pay my respects to you for finding out the source so quickly (you added no. 24 instead of 23, though). May I add that I am astonished (and glad) that you administrators check and correct the pages added so quickly. Gerhard Weydt (talk) 21:48, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Le thresor de musique (Orlando di Lasso)

Hello Goeff! Thanks for the careful changes to this page, and separation of the two editions. Now we are both working on getting the Pub templates correct on the work pages. I have made some dpl scripts to help, at User:BarryJ/Dpl queries/Volumes. A big job; I will help as I have time. And someone still has to add the changed texts and include the new titles and {{cat|Sacred music}} to the Description for most of these works! — Barry Johnston (talk) 18:02, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Barry! Yes, a big job indeed. As you say, I am focusing on the Pub templates right now, but adding the contrafact texts is next on my list. I am making sure things are right by combing through the facsimiles. Be aware that not every work has contrafact text, just most of them. The motets and other sacred texts (or "sacred enough" texts) have their original lyrics. I don't know anything about DPL, but I will check your page. GeoffG (talk) 18:08, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Adam of Fulda

Hi again,

I added a worklist to Adam of Fulda (and might make an edition of O vera lux) but have a question about Laudate Dominum: what did you rely on for that attribution? I continue to much appreciate your contributions, btw! Richard Mix (talk) 03:44, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi again, Richard! Thanks for your appreciation! I am sorry to say I cannot now remember where I got that attribution. My assumption would be RISM, and I notice the entry there has been revised since I made reference to it. Nevertheless, if you can pick out the relevant entry, it now lists 'Anonymous' as the composer, which is what the facsimile says as well (another likely source). I am therefore forced to accept that I made an error, until such time as another source comes to me. Thanks for catching that! - GeoffG (talk) 04:32, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

A stray publication

Hello, Geoff! I can't seem to find a publication of Antonio Gardano, obliquely referenced (as 4° 42/3) in the Description on Ave Domine Jesu Christe (Cristóbal de Morales) and several other pages. I think that BSB changed their coding, or maybe it's a typo. Could you please try to find it? Thanks. — Barry Johnston (talk) 20:16, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Barry!
That book is the second edition of Moralis Hispani, as mentioned on that page (printed in 1546 by Antonio Gardano). Here is a link to the facsimile at BSB: FACSIMILE, which can also be found on that page. As you can see on the BSB page, their MS designation has not changed. Looking at the Ave Domine Jesu Christe (Cristóbal de Morales) page, I can see how the mention in the description is now redundant and confusing. I should probably have removed them when I added the Pub template there and on other pages. – GeoffG (talk) 21:15, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, Geoff! I will make the necessary changes on the work pages as I encounter them. — Barry Johnston (talk) 21:22, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Precipitate action

I have just had amplifications on a newly created page bounced since you have leapt in with modifications. I am quite clearly in the middle of uploading documents; kindly allow me the time to do so.Cjshawcj (talk) 22:17, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I noticed what I had done right after I submitted my changes. I completely understand your irritation and will make more of an effort to check timestamps in the future. No criticism of your work was intended. (I'm too keen to help out for my own good, I suppose) - GeoffG (talk) 22:26, 12 March 2023 (UTC)


Hi Geoff,

I see you have been using this template: good! But the code needs some revision. I am working on a revision (see {{Author2}}), to:

Make the page=line and page=work options functional
Put the publication title into a link
Add categorization of author(s) into Category:<Author> texts

and several other minor tweaks. Do you have any suggestions for improvement? Again, thanks much for pioneering the use of the Author system. — Barry Johnston (talk) 17:27, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Barry!
Yes, I have been having a lot of fun with that template, lately. I think the changes you outline will be real improvements. I suppose I haven't been using it long enough to think of many other improvements. The only thing I would add is a field for the section of the publication. For example, the poem number, as in Petrarch or Guarini, the Canto, as in Ariosto or Byron, or the Act, scene, and line numbers, as in Shakespeare. I suppose this could also include chapter and verse (or Psalm number) when the publication is a book of the Bible.
One tangential improvement that did occur to me was the addition of Instrumentation to the expression of the TextSettingsList and TextPageList templates (is one of them redundant?). It appears to me that being able to include instrumentation is one of the main reasons for making the settings lists manual (that and explaining multiple settings by the same composer). – GeoffG (talk) 18:27, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
Thank for the suggestions, Geoff!
I will continue to work on revisions of the {{Author}} template. I will try to get specifics of Text source in there too.
About "addition of Instrumentation to the expression of the TextSettingsList and TextPageList templates" – this presents some difficulties, because the Instrumentation on some work pages is long, and its length is unpredictable. This means limiting these displays to one column, or perhaps truncating the Instrumentation display to a certain number of characters. Truncation would probably look weird and probably be unacceptable to purists among us. I agree that the ability to show "instrumentation is one of the main reasons for making the settings lists manual", but including Instrumentation in automation would be easy, since it is a template on every work page. More difficult is Source of text (a common item in manual lists under TextSettingsList), which is not (as yet) in a template.
The templates TextSettingsList and TextPageList are different – TextPageList is my beginning attempt at an automated list, obviously not complete, since it doesn't address the issues in the paragraph just above. It does seem to work on some simple text pages though. — Barry Johnston (talk) 19:49, 8 June 2023 (UTC)