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I know I'm a bit behind but...

the alterations that you've made to ChoralWiki:Music Subcategories look great! Also, I entirely agree with the merging of chant and medieval music - a very necessary job you're doing, Chuck. Now... accompaniment cats... this might take a lot of work! --Bobnotts talk 00:18, 4 October 2007 (PDT)

Hi Rob. Yeah, I put in accompaniment cats, for at least it gives a place to subcategorise A cappella. *grin* Thanks for you kind words! -- Chucktalk Giffen 01:13, 4 October 2007 (PDT)


Thank you for adding my signature where I forgot ;) --Choralia 04:11, 10 October 2007 (PDT)

You're welcome! -- Chucktalk Giffen 05:26, 10 October 2007 (PDT)

How are we doing those hymns now...?

I've just looked at What Child is This? (arr. John Stainer) and What Child is This (Traditional) (edit 12-15-07: pages have now been merged, see What Child is this? (Traditional) end of edit) Now obviously they need to be merged but what should the page title be? The "hymn" tune is Greensleeves; the composer unknown or "Traditional". One edition is arranged by John Stainer. Where does he fit in?

What Child is This (Traditional)
What Child is This (Greensleeves)
What Child is This (Traditional, t. Greensleeves)

I know you've done a lot of work on hymns on CPDL and there are a few pages designed in a similar way to composer pages, "hymn tune pages" but many tunes don't have a page. Should there be a page called Greensleeves (Traditional) or just Greensleeves from which settings of the tune are listed? It would help users to be able to see if there are any other settings of the tune to different words... Some of this may be revisiting old stuff which has already been discussed and agreed and if this is the case, I apologise. Looking forward to your reply (here!) --Bobnotts talk 19:44, 11 October 2007 (PDT)

Hi Rob. Greensleeves/What child is this is a sticky wicket, at best. The harmonization/arrangement in "What Child is This (Traditional)" is identical with the one published by Sir John Stainer in 1871 - the arrangement in "What Child is This? (arr. John Stainer)" is actually altered (at the end of the first phrase). In either case, the melody (tune) "Greensleeves" has a long history, beginning with its first mention in 1580 as a "new northern dittye of the Lady Greene Sleeves." It is mentioned in Shakespeare's "Merry Wives of Windsor." It has erroneously been attributed to King Henry VIII.
That said, I am of the opinion that there should be a "Greensleeves" tune page (without ascription of tune when traditional or unknown), since there are works (eg. "Alas my love...") that share this tune with "What Child...". Tune pages list works at CPDL that employ the tune in question. See Es flog ein kleins Waldvögelein, Old hundredth, Rasmus, Salzburg for examples of tune pages. As for "What Child..." (using Greensleeves - there are other tunes not represented at CPDL, as yet), they should be merged. I would use the title "What child is this (John Stainer)" - which is what we have done in the past with arrangements or harmonizations of a melody. I hope this makes sense!! -- Chucktalk Giffen 23:45, 11 October 2007 (PDT)

Thanks for your help with the Hymns I'm adding.

Hi Chuck,

Thanks for finding some errors in the Cyber Hymnal hymns I'm entering. I noticed the NWC version has 2 or 3 note errors in each hymn. Usually these are cases of missing rests where a voice is not present, or a missing dot, etc. When I catch them the Sibelius4 edition has these errors cleaned up. I've cleaned up the F that should be a G in measure 1 of Ralph Vaughan Williams hymn tune "The call". (Hymn name "Come, my Way, my Truth, my Life".) Johnhenryfowler 11:48, 20 November 2007 (PST)

Glad to help, John, especially since hymns at CPDL are a pet project of mine. -- Chucktalk Giffen 07:09, 21 November 2007 (PST)

Lilypond extension

Chuck, why does the LilyPond code require the curly brackets { } in the code? It seemed to work fine without them for me. I'm still a newbie at LilyPond I'm afraid! BTW, would you mind looking at Slane which I've managed to screw up, somehow? Cheers --Bobnotts talk 15:40, 26 November 2007 (PST)

Actually, apparently the wiki LilyPond extension doesn't require braces (ordinarily LilyPond does require them), and I had put them in hoping to be able to tweak formatting a bit (but so far to no avail). There are two things I wish we could do: (1) reduce the line length and/or size a bit to somthing approximating that of the original Old hundredth (the current line length is too long to fit in my pretty standard non-maximized browser window); and (2) figure out some way to hide the time signature (for subsequent lines of a tune). I'll have a look at Slane. LilyPond can be exasperating because of the way it reports compiler/interpreter errors!! Cheers -- Chucktalk Giffen 06:14, 27 November 2007 (PST)

Errors in CPDL #12815 (Hark the herald)

Hi Chuck. There are a couple of mistakes in your edition. I've posted them on the talk page but I thought I'd let you know here as well. --Bobnotts talk 00:09, 13 December 2007 (PST)

Thanks Rob. I'll check the text carefully for more errors and post a replacement edition shortly. -- Chucktalk Giffen 00:13, 13 December 2007 (PST)

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