User talk:Bobnotts

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Text and translation templates

To Bobnotts Hi, am very new to all this stuff here, find things out and do things wrong, do not now how to contact people and find that, when I do something there is a certain Englishman, named Bobnotts, who adds "templates" whatever they are! Flags in my language. Dutch, maybe double dutch!!!! Now he moves my texts, looks neat! All of a sudden I tried the talk thing out, saved the page and thought whatever will be will be and there: you're reaction, GREAT. I already tried to mail you but it was send back to me. Read your page and hope you know how much you can drink!!!!

I could not get the text in the sore page, although I pressed the save page knob 3 times. Got fed up and left cpdl and my pc. Got back later and still found the text in "my text box. Had not disapeared!!! Then I pressed the safe page knob again and off it went in the score page. Clear enough to you now? To get a reaction from you, I put the text back! Haha!

How and where do you get the templates. You must be a miracle here on cpdl.

kind regards Geertje

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8-11 This "story"above is old, yesterday's. Now I've found out how to make a waterfall of words in your talk box. Hurray. Saw you had a go on my texts again. Do you know where it's about in english? Saw how you had your go on them and did the same with : Seem to be a guick learner?????

kind regards

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Hi Geertje!

Thanks for all your kind words. Miracle - I'm not so sure about that but anyway ... You can find lots of information about submitting texts and translations at this page: Request for help with texts/translations. If you need any more information get back in touch and I'll be happy to help.

Cheers, Bobnotts 13:00, 8 November 2006 (PST)

P.S. You can sign a message that you've posted by entering ~~~~ after your message. Doing this outputs your username (with a link) and the date and time that you posted the comment. Hi, You're having your "go" again on the texts I put on, but forgot: Noël nouvelet!

getting an image on a page

Hi bob,

Try reuploading the file as Properties_box.jpg (lower case .jpg, not upper case .JPG). Then use something like

[[Image:Properties_box.jpg|left|Sample Properties box]]

to display the image. I hope it works!

ChuckGiffen 08:46, 10 January 2007 (PST)

Thanks Chuck but that doesn't seem to work. Have a look at the page: Admin:Uploading-New-Files Bobnotts 09:09, 10 January 2007 (PST)

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30 januari 2007 hello, here I am again. Hope in the right place. There is something funny with the German templates you put into "my texts". Mendelssohn songs. No "flag" but horrible THICK letters. Tried to draw your attention to it when I altered it, but it is still there. kind regards.

Yeah thanks Geertje I noticed. There's a problem with the German flag image on the server and that's why it's not displaying when the template has been added. When the image has been corrected, everything should display normally again. See this discussion thread for more details. Oh, and please don't delete any of this page's discussion history again - it's useful to see what's happened. Thanks, Bobnotts 16:36, 30 January 2007 (PST)

You don't respond anymore to my mails. Something is wrong?

I assure you, Huub, that there is nothing wrong. I have been particularly busy recently so please forgive me for not replying instantly to your emails. When I get a moment, I will deal with your requests. -- Bobnotts 20:21, 23 February 2007 (PST)

Thanks, Robert. Mea Culpa. The slight worries about the mp3's on my composers page, that can not be played anymore, caused my impatience. Huub.

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Hi Bob, thank you for the message on my discussion page. Indeed, I've been editing my first page way too many times; I wasn't aware one could simply preview a page before committing it, but I will be aware of it in the future. Thanks again! --Arthur

Nowowiejski & Grzegorz Miskiewicz

Hi again, Bob; I just saw you requested deletion for Nowowiejski, which seems only right; however, on the other hand, I think this is a submission by a Polish composer who might need some help here on CPDL. Indeed, the page has been created by Grzegorz_Miskiewicz, whose Composer page could use much tidying up, as you can see. But still, the files linked to from his page are very much real, and the page for which you requested deletion is nothing else but an (admittedly buggy) reference to what seems to be a Polish version of “Stille Nacht”, the all-time favourite Christmas carol: check http://www.grzegorzmiskiewicz.republika.pl/cichanoc.pdf which obviously is the link the contributor meant to put on that page, and not the silly URL http://www.cichanoc.pdf/ (still, that is rather funny, I think, because it looks like a real URL from far away). By the way, from my very weak knowledge of Polish, “Cicha noc” indeed means “Quiet night”, so »Stille Nacht« in the original German.

Anyway, that particular page must still be deleted, and the (correct) reference has to be added on Stille Nacht (Franz Xaver Gruber); but, more importantly, I feel we have to contact the contributor and help him out with the process of submitting scores on CPDL, because he seems to have very much good will in contributing here. -- Arthur 2007-02-23 06:24 CET (05:24 UTC)

Arthur,

I hadn't noticed his updated page - good spot! Yes, absolutely, contact him and let him know the correct procedure (you're well versed with that now, I hope?) As I speak no Polish, perhaps you should send him an email! He does indeed seem like a very positive contributor. Let me know how it all goes. -- Bobnotts 23:22, 22 February 2007 (PST)

All right, I'll ask Polish friends to translate a simple explanation of how the submission process works on CPDL and contact him.

PS: Thank you for the kind works on Talk:O Little One Sweet (Johann Sebastian Bach) :-) -- Arthur 2007-02-23 06:45 CET (05:45 UTC)

What manner of thing is this?

Bob:

You did some work on the Thomas Ravenscroft Page, about which you wrote in the change comment that you "reduced the page size".

what exactly does this mean?

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Noel, this means (exactly!) that I have substituted the links for pdf and midi icons ("http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/8/84/Icon_pdf.gif" and "http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/8/81/Icon_snd.gif") for {{pdf}} and {{mid}}. These two templates take up substantially less space than the whole link so it will be quicker for users to view the page and quicker for users to edit the page. Thus, the page size is reduced. -- Bobnotts 20:19, 23 February 2007 (PST)

Just commenting in passing: the actual gain in disk space on server is nothing, I think, compared to the benefit users will have in editing the page, because it looks so much nicer. So thank you anyway, Bob, for this idea! -- Arthur 2007-02-25 07:12 CET (06:12 UTC)

Canons (Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart)

I'm not sure I agree with what you've done with Canons (Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart): you put a redirection to point it to Category:Canons, but it's really not the same, since the Category page lists all canons (of course!), and the former page should list only canons by Mozart; which I think is rather useless, since to my knowledge Mozart's canons are by far not as numerous as Bach's cantatas, and I see no reason to have a standalone page only to list them, not to mention a special category. So, the page should be deleted, shouldn't it?

Well, actually, there's more to it: if you look back in the past you see that it has been added as a Work page for one particular score [1], but then the link became invalid [2] which it still is the case as of today. But on the other hand, the submitter, Jurriaan Grootes, did submit many other files, for example Psalm 13, Op. 27 (Herr, wie lange willst du) (Johannes Brahms), and there the external link is perfectly valid. And guess what? If you follow the link you find Mozart's canon there; the correct URL is now http://www.vocalpdf.nl/part/canons-vkd.pdf

I suppose everybody will agree what we have to do is to revert the former state of the page and simply correct the link; I'll do it later. -- Arthur 2007-02-25 07:12 CET (06:12 UTC)

Yes, I've just reviewed the page myself. I was removing some double redirects and didn't look properly at the page history. Yes, absolutely, restore the page to its original state (as a score page) and correct the link. Another thing, though, there isn't a link to it on the Mozart page so you will have to make that up from scratch (not difficult!) -- Bobnotts 08:37, 25 February 2007 (PST)

John Rutter

Have you ever thought of doing a page on the John Rutter music? I've got one of his pieces on Sibelius if you would like that. Rick 05:49, 26 July 2007 (PDT)

Hi Rick. As John Rutter's music is still under copyright, it is illegal to reproduce it with permission. This includes photocopying, scanning, re-typsetting, etc. CPDL is a place for public domain music (Choral Public Domain Library), or music which is released to the public without charge by modern composers. I would advise you delete the Sibleius file of the Rutter work as I suspect it is illegal for you to possess it and I suggest that you refer to the information on copyright law in the CPDL help pages, here. If you have any questions about copyright, please ask them on the forum and someone will try to help. Please don't be put off by these restrictions as to what you can and can't typeset - there is plenty of good music in the public domain (and much of it better than Rutter's, in my opinion :-) ) Regards --Bobnotts talk 06:39, 26 July 2007 (PDT)

I will delete the file immediatly. But could you do a biography on him instead? Rick 18:40, 26 July 2007 (PDT)

I have no particular inclination to create a page for John Rutter as the Wikipedia article on him contains enough info for my needs. However, I have no objection to a page being created - if you wish to do so, follow the red link here, and edit away! --Bobnotts talk 02:32, 27 July 2007 (PDT)

My Music

I added some of my own music to CPDL and it still hasn't appeared on the site yet. What do I do and who do I need to speak to to correct it? Rick 23:44, 26 July 2007 (PDT)

Hi Rick. If you clicked on "Add scores to CPDL" (link on the left) then "Add Choral Work, or New Edition" then completed and submitted the form then that information will be in a backlog which Rafael Ornes, the manager of this site, receives. Your score eventually be posted but don't expect that time to be soon. A quicker method of submitting your music is by copying and pasting the code which comes up when you click the button at the bottom of the form. This code should be pasted into a new page with the title in the following format: Your work title, Op. x, (Rick Miller) . If you did not record the code which apeared, please don't re-submit the same work as this would duplicate the CPDL number. In your future submissions, however, this is the best course of action. Regards --Bobnotts talk 02:39, 27 July 2007 (PDT)

Thanks.
Also, on the responces you've put into Sibelius, how did you organise it so that unused bars aren't shown?
Rick 04:26, 27 July 2007 (PDT)

To achieve that effect, first you must split the stave in between the versicle and the response. To do this, select the dividing bar line then choose Layout --> Break --> Split System. Then, to hide the bars in question, select them then select Layout --> Hide Empty Staves. I hope you're successful! Regards --Bobnotts talk 02:11, 31 July 2007 (PDT)

I have split the bar but it the staves will not "hide".
Rick.

Sorry... of course that didn't work. What you really need to do(!) once you've split the system is deselect everything then follow the menu selection here. Then click at the beginning of the stave and it should disappear. Then select 5 lines (singers) where you want it to appear again. These "staff type changes" can be moved like normal objects. Hope that works! --Bobnotts talk 06:26, 31 July 2007 (PDT)

Unfortunatly, it has to hide the bars that are used as well as the ones that aren't used like this.

You need to drag the staff type change to the place where you want it to work from then create the staff type change "5 lines (singers)" as I explained above. --Bobnotts talk 06:21, 2 August 2007 (PDT)

Thanks.

More reconstitutions

Hi Bob I've reconstituted The Choir in the Rain but it doesn't show on the main page list of recent pieces. Any idea why? dwsolo 04:38, 30 July 2007 (PDT)

Hi David. I've sorted out the page in question. There actually were/are 2 reasons why your score page doesn't show up on the main page list under the correct date. The first is that the template on the page actually had the wrong date on (it previously said {{NewWork|2007-06-15}} rather than today's date). Secondly, the templates and other pages which need to be created to make the list display correctly have been lost in the crash and have yet to be restored. Hopefully this will be done soon (out of my power I'm afraid!) Best wishes, Bobnotts talk 07:35, 30 July 2007 (PDT)

Many thanks Bob dwsolo 02:01, 31 July 2007 (PDT)

Oh, and many thanks, Bob, for consolidating the Willoughby page today - I had been wondering about that. It's much better now thanks to your expertise. Cheers :-)

I've re-uploaded a few more of my pieces today that had been lost in the crash. I think I've done it correctly, but feel free to amend if required.

... and of course I'll back them up on my hard drive just in case!

dwsolo 02:07, 4 August 2007 (PDT)

Hi David. No problem - happy to help :-) I've just tidied up your modern madrigal as well. No problems with your upload process - you seem to be doing fine. (Good idea to back up...) --Bobnotts talk 02:17, 4 August 2007 (PDT)

Chinese?

This seems to have happened very recently--like within the last 48 hours or so--so you may not be aware of it, but the entire "Composer subcategories" page has been converted to Chinese and been marked for deletion. Can this be undone and reverted back to English? Ranthlee 06:39, 2 August 2007 (PDT)

Hi there. Thanks for pointing this out... there were a number of pages created by a spammer with 1 letter different from Composer Subcategories so I marked them all for deletion and failed to notice the real page! I've reverted the edits now so it should be fine. Cheers --Bobnotts talk 02:03, 3 August 2007 (PDT)

Will the time be worthwhile?

Bob

Thanks for your message. It would be nice to have a chat. I have so far done no more than update editions which are already on line.

It is going to take me half a day to a day to restore everything that I put up between the last backup and the crash and I am still not clear that if I do this the material is not going to get lost again in the next crash.

Jonathan Jonathang 18:00, 3 August 2007 (PDT)

Hi Jonathan. I know the feeling. The work that I've been doing last night and this morning has been to improve the Mendelssohn page and the associated page which lists his works ordered by opus number. I've just backed up the code for these pages but if the server was to crash again in the next 5 mins, I would lose all the work that I've been doing to move all the score pages to have the correct opus number in the title (and that stuff's impossible to back up). I'm going to put a bit more pressure on Raf over the next week to actually have a more effective backup system because I know a lot of people are angry at losing all their work (myself included). I would advise you and anyone else in your position to hold off putting your scores back on CPDL not because they may be lost again in a similar crash (unlikely but possible) but because it may actually force Raf to communicate with people about the nature of the backup system and what he's doing to improve it so we don't have this problem again. I'll let you know the progress of this. All the best --Bobnotts talk 18:31, 3 August 2007 (PDT)

Elgar Score - The Spirit of the Lord

Hey Robert,

I'm busy working on the score from the scan you sent me, and, not being an organist or pianist I've run into several questions: ( I've uploaded the partial score so you can reference it ) See http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/0/02/Elgar-The_Spirit_Of_The_Lord_Is_Upon_Me.pdf

1. In measure 1 - Bass Accomp. I couldn't express it in Sibelius as in score. Is this OK ?

2. The score says "Piano" for Accomp. - Shouldn't it be Organ ?

3. In measure 4 - what is the "L" and the ------- line indicate ?

4. In measure 14 there is an indication of "HORN" - on a piano ?

5. The beginning is labeled "Prologue", shouldn't measure 16 indicate a sectional change, or is the whole thing "Prologue". Is the work part of a larger work ?

6. Do you know the date of composition ?

7. As an accompanist, is there any voicing that would be more clearly notated in the Accomp. ?

8. Feel free to point out any typos so far - the work so far has not been proofed.

- John Henry

Hi John. All that I knew about "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me" is that it is the first part of Elgar's oratorio The Apostles, so I checked out the Wikipedia article which is good. Hopefully that will answer your questions about the work. As for your other questions, I'm afraid that I'm not a pianist or organist either so I can only guess!

1. I can't figure it out either... what you have written out is correct but obviously overly complicated. I'll keep looking for a solution in Sibelius.
2. It's a reduction of the orchestra parts as this is a vocal score. I'd have it as organ.
3. I can only guess that that is for left hand... but then that doesn't really make any sense when you look at what the left hand is doing - it's already busy.
4. It's an orchestral reduction.
5. Yes, it is - see Wikipedia.
6. f.p. 14 October 1903
7. Sorry - don't know!
8. You seemed to have missed a few notes in bar 3. I'd recommend that you make the small notes in the score small in your edition to indicate to a pianist/organist that he should only try to play some, not all(!), of them, but point out to the director that those are notes played by the orchestra. Also, the title of the movement is "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me", not "us".

I look forward to the finished score! --Bobnotts talk 07:11, 8 August 2007 (PDT)

Thanks Robert. (By the way is the goal to do the whole work eventually - "The Apostles" ? ) Johnhenryfowler 11:07, 8 August 2007 (PDT)

I never really considered doing the whole of the oratorio as it's so long. I suppose the reason that I suggested this movement to you is because it seems to be sung as an anthem in its own right in the Anglican tradition. Of course, if you fancy transcribing the whole of the oratorio then you're more than welcome! --Bobnotts talk 03:39, 9 August 2007 (PDT)

Hi Robert,

 I Can't type-set measure 32 of this work.  I have never seen triplets like this.  Can you help ?  Finally figured it out - very weird triplets: first is a quarter-note triplet to start (then you change note values within the triplet, the other two start as quarter note triplets, and then you edit new values into the notes of the triplet.

Johnhenryfowler 23:02, 9 August 2007 (PDT)