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:There's been a little discussion at [[Template talk:Genre#Secular & Sacred on same page]]: one puts "dual" in the genre template, as [[Ferir quel petto (Claudio Monteverdi)|for example]] the many Coppini/Monteverdi contrafacta.
:There's been a little discussion at [[Template talk:Genre#Secular & Sacred on same page]]: one puts "dual" in the genre template, as [[Ferir quel petto (Claudio Monteverdi)|for example]] the many Coppini/Monteverdi contrafacta.
:I've noticed a complication in the present case, in that ''Pan divino'' as [https://www.uma.es/victoria/guerrero/pdf/Guerrero-Pan_Divino_Gracioso.pdf edited by Nacho Alvarez] from [[Canciones y villanescas espirituales (Francisco Guerrero)|''Canciones y villanescas espirituales'']] is a substantially different, non-strophic piece, which cannot comfortably share a page with CPDL 44237, 12121 & 02308. So it now seems to me the merge target would have to be [[Prado verde y florido (Francisco Guerrero)]]. [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 20:01, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
:I've noticed a complication in the present case, in that ''Pan divino'' as [https://www.uma.es/victoria/guerrero/pdf/Guerrero-Pan_Divino_Gracioso.pdf edited by Nacho Alvarez] from [[Canciones y villanescas espirituales (Francisco Guerrero)|''Canciones y villanescas espirituales'']] is a substantially different, non-strophic piece, which cannot comfortably share a page with CPDL 44237, 12121 & 02308. So it now seems to me the merge target would have to be [[Prado verde y florido (Francisco Guerrero)]]. [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 20:01, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
::There are many examples. My favorite is [[Vaterland, in deinen Gauen (Felix Mendelssohn)]], which is the direct basis (music, harmony, and all) of [[Hark! the herald angels sing (Felix Mendelssohn)]]. The two are very closely related musically, though the two texts are very far apart. The big reason why these are separate pages is that they are both discussed, written about, analyzed, etc. – each is significant in its own right. (Mendelssohn's wish that his music not be set to religious words, and Charles Wesley's desire that his words be matched with slower, more meditative music are interesting factors in this!). And generally throughout CPDL, editors have separated works into different pages if they are "significantly" different – "significant" in the eye of the editor at least, which is good enough for me. So I think these pages (''Prado verde y florido'' and ''Pan divino y gracioso'') should be separate; isn't that what links and {{tl|SeeAlso}} and {{tl|Descr}} are for? — [[User:BarryJ|Barry Johnston]] [[User talk:BarryJ|(talk)]] 17:02, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
::See my post at [[Template talk:Genre#Secular & Sacred on same page]]. I think these pages (''Prado verde y florido'' and ''Pan divino y gracioso'') should be separate, because they serve separate functions, would be put on different shelves in a library, etc. — [[User:BarryJ|Barry Johnston]] [[User talk:BarryJ|(talk)]] 17:19, 25 January 2022 (UTC)


== Original key ==
== Original key ==


Can someone make an edition in the original key? Thanks [[User:Seth Engel|Seth Engel]] ([[User talk:Seth Engel|talk]]) 14:09, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Can someone make an edition in the original key? Thanks [[User:Seth Engel|Seth Engel]] ([[User talk:Seth Engel|talk]]) 14:09, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Revision as of 17:20, 25 January 2022

I think the main difficulty with merging the pages is that it would then have two genres, Sacred and Secular, which would be confusing, rather than helpful, to users. Keeping them separate, with links given, seems more sensible.Jamesgibb (talk) 07:25, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

There's been a little discussion at Template talk:Genre#Secular & Sacred on same page: one puts "dual" in the genre template, as for example the many Coppini/Monteverdi contrafacta.
I've noticed a complication in the present case, in that Pan divino as edited by Nacho Alvarez from Canciones y villanescas espirituales is a substantially different, non-strophic piece, which cannot comfortably share a page with CPDL 44237, 12121 & 02308. So it now seems to me the merge target would have to be Prado verde y florido (Francisco Guerrero). Richard Mix (talk) 20:01, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
See my post at Template talk:Genre#Secular & Sacred on same page. I think these pages (Prado verde y florido and Pan divino y gracioso) should be separate, because they serve separate functions, would be put on different shelves in a library, etc. — Barry Johnston (talk) 17:19, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Original key

Can someone make an edition in the original key? Thanks Seth Engel (talk) 14:09, 25 January 2022 (UTC)