S'i' 'l dissi mai, ch'i' venga in odio a quella (Bartolomeo Tromboncino)

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• (Posted 2020-09-16)  CPDL #60595:         

Editor: Andreas Stenberg (submitted 2020-09-16).   Score information: A4 (landscape), 17 pages, 1.63 MB   Copyright: CPDL

Edition notes: A double edition containing: diplomatic editions from both sources, practical edition of the four-part setting and raw transcript of Lute-Voice setting. A transcription into French lute-tablature is also provided. Lyrics in diplomatic editions follow the source-readings but are normalised in the practical editions. English translation by A.S. Kline is provided. The translation is copyrighted by the translator but free for non-commercial use.

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Title: S’i’ ’l dissi mai, ch’i’ vegna in odio a quella
Composer: Bartolomeo Tromboncino
Lyricist: Francesco Petrarca

Number of voices: 4vv   Voicing: SATB
Genre: Secular, Madrigal

Language: Italian
Instruments: A cappella

First published: 1509 in Tenori e contrabassi intabulati... Francisci Bossinensis, Venetia, Ottaviano Petrucci, 1509
    2nd published: 1510 in Canzoni nove con alcune scelte ..., no. 6
Description: A four-part Frottola and it's Lute-Voice transcription from Canzoni nove 1510 and Tenori et Contrabassi intabulati... Fr. Bossinensis, 1509. The lyrics are from Francesco Petrarca: Cansoniere No.206.

Original text and translations

Italian text Francesco Petrarca - Canzoniere (Rerum vulgarium fragmenta) (XIV secolo) S’i’ ’l dissi mai, ch’i’ venga in odio a quella del cui amor vivo, et senza ’l qual morrei; s’i’ ’l dissi, che miei dí sian pochi et rei, et di vil signoria l’anima ancella; s’i’ ’l dissi, contra me s’arme ogni stella, et dal mio lato sia Paura et Gelosia, et la nemica mia piú feroce ver ’me sempre et piú bella. S’i’ ’l dissi, Amor l’aurate sue quadrella spenda in me tutte, et l’impiombate in lei; s’i’ ’l dissi, cielo et terra, uomini et dèi mi sian contrari, et essa ognor piú fella; s’i’ ’l dissi, chi con sua cieca facella dritto a morte m’invia, pur come suol si stia, né mai piú dolce o pia ver’ me si mostri, in atto od in favella. S’i’ ’l dissi mai, di quel ch’i’ men vorrei piena trovi quest’aspra et breve via; s’i’ ’l dissi, il fero ardor che mi desvia cresca in me quanto il fier ghiaccio in costei; s’i’ ’l dissi, unqua non veggianli occhi mei sol chiaro, o sua sorella, né donna né donzella, ma terribil procella, qual Pharaone in perseguir li hebrei. S’i’ ’l dissi, coi sospir, quant’io mai fei, sia Pietà per me morta, et Cortesia; s’i’ ’l dissi, il dir s’innaspri, che s’udia sí dolce allor che vinto mi rendei; s’i’ ’l dissi, io spiaccia a quella ch’i’torrei sol, chiuso in fosca cella, dal dí che la mamella lasciai, finché si svella da me l’alma, adorar: forse e ’l farei. Ma s’io nol dissi, chi sí dolce apria meo cor a speme ne l’età novella, regg ’anchor questa stanca navicella col governo di sua pietà natia, né diventi altra, ma pur qual solia quando piú non potei, che me stesso perdei (né piú perder devrei). Mal fa chi tanta fe’ sí tosto oblia. I’nol dissi già mai, né per dir poria per oro o per cittadi o per castella. Vinca ’l ver dunque, et si rimanga in sella, et vinta a terra caggia la bugia. Tu sai in me il tutto, Amor: s’ella ne spia, dinne quel che dir dêi. I’ beato direi, tre volte et quattro et sei, chi, devendo languir, si morí pria. Per Rachel ò servito, et non per Lia; né con altra saprei viver, et sosterrei, quando ’l ciel ne rappella, girmen con ella in sul carro de Helia. Edizione: "Il Canzoniere" di Francesco Petrarca a cura di Gianfranco Contini Edizione Einaudi, 1964

English translation From: Petrarch: The Canzoniere The Complete Canzoniere Translated by A. S. Kline If I ever said so, may I be held to scorn by her by whom love lives, and without whom I’d die: if I said so, let my days be few and harsh, and my poor soul bound in vile slavery: if I said so, let ever star oppose me, and Fear and Jealousy be always at my side and my enemy always fiercer towards me and more lovely. If I said so, may Love spend all his golden arrows on me, and his lead ones on her: if I said so, let heaven and earth, men and gods oppose me, and she become more cruel: if I said so, let her with her blind torch who sends me straight to death, be as she always was, nor ever show me more sweetness or pity, in actions or speech. If I ever said so, let me find this short bitter path full of what I least desire: if I said so, let the fierce ardour that delays me grow in me just as much as hard ice in her: if I said so, may my eyes never see the bright sun, or his sister, nor girl or woman, but a dreadful storm like Pharaoh pursuing the Hebrews. If I said so, however much I sigh, let Pity and Courtesy be dead to me: if I said so, let her speech be harsh, that once was sweetly heard when she conquered me: if I said so, let her hate me who I would alone, shut in a cell, from the days of childhood to the freeing of my soul adore: if I could do so. But if I did not say so, let her who opened my heart so sweetly to hope in my young days, still steer my weary little boat at the helm of her in-born pity, nor alter, but be as she was when I could do nothing but lose myself (nor could be more lost). He does wrong who soon forgets such faith. I have never said so, nor could say it for gold or cities or for towers. Let truth conquer, then, and stay in the saddle and let falsehood be beaten to the earth. You know all about me, Love: if she doesn’t know, say what you must. I’ll call him blessed, three, four, six times blessed, who, called to languish, died first. I’ve served for Rachel and not for Leah: and could not endure to live with any other, but when the heavens call me could suffer to ascend with her in Elijah’s chariot. https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Italian/Petrarchhome.php The three hundred and sixty-six poems of the Canzoniere with, occasional, illustrated footnotes.  © Copyright 2002 A. S. Kline, All Rights Reserved Translation may be freely reproduced, stored and transmitted, electronically or otherwise, for any non-commercial purpose.