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Hi Willem, a (very) belated welcome to CPDL! I just noticed that you've been very active in the last few days, posting new editions, that's great!! Thanks a lot for sharing them with us. I'm doing a couple of minor corrections, and will need to rename some of the pages to follow our standard naming conventions, hope you don't mind. Regards, —Carlos (talk) 18:38, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Welcome too, and thanks for all the new works you are adding, particularly Sigismondo d'India, of whom I was completely unaware! One point. You might like to choose the instrumentation a capella where there are no instruments indicated, since that prevents its being shown as Unknown on the site.
Jamesgibb (talk) 15:34, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks James. You're right. I hope some vocal ensemble will try out these works by Sigismondo d'India. Wverkaik (talk) 09:17, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Timor et tremor

I added the motet Timor et tremor by Sigismondo d'India. I did not add to the name that it is from Psalm 55 (54). How does it get to the Psalms matrix? Wverkaik (talk) 09:33, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

I should have spotted the Psalm 55 link, because of Mendelssohn's O for the wings of a dove! I think a text link to the psalm is more useful than to a Timor et tremor text page so I've moved it, Willem.
Jamesgibb (talk) 07:08, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Dapoi che sotto'l ciel (Jan Tollius)

This page must be deleted. How can I do this?? Wverkaik (talk) 10:03, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Ok, it was deleted as requested. Regards, —Carlos Email.gif 14:17, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Missa O Altitudo Divitiarum (Philippe de Monte)

I entered all movements of the mass, but the contribution does not appear on the main page under Most Recent Scores. Why not? Wverkaik (talk) 18:39, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Willem, you need to generate a CPDL# for each movement. Please use the Form:Add_work for this. After that, copy from the resulting text the line that contains the template {{CPDLno}} and the two lines below it, and paste them to your page, without changing anything else. Regards, —Carlos Email.gif 19:27, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Lamentations 4 voices (Jean Mouton)

Hi, and thanks for this edition! I looked in New Grove to see if there were other lamentations (for different numbers of vv. or other nocturnes), but the worklist there doesn't have even this one: can you shed light on the mystery? Vriendelijke groetjes uit California, Richard Mix (talk) 01:32, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Richard, The Mouton Lamentations were found in CMM 223 I only have the Lectio prima at this moment, but the next Lectiones are also set by Mouton. When I can see the CMM in the library I will also enter the next lessons. The addition 4-voices suggests other settings for other voices. Maybe CMM can shed light on this. Vriendelijke groetjes??? Are you Dutch? Wverkaik (talk) 08:40, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

That's good news, I'll be looking forward then! I have some friends in Rotterdam and Delft but don't really speak much Dutch, despite having attempted to read De toonkoenst bij de Madoereezen. Besides our local gamelan scene, another nexus is the Berkeley-Boston-Utrecht early music circuit, and Ton de Leeuw taught here as well. Richard Mix (talk) 23:36, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Anima del cor mio (Claudio Monteverdi)

Unfortunately I made a mistake. The page should be deleted. Sorry. Wverkaik (talk) 15:39, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

No problem, Willem. In fact the title chosen by you is better; I renamed the old page to match it. Regards, —Carlos Email.gif 17:02, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Text versus translation

Willem, thanks for all the useful new works you are adding to the site. One point when you are adding a (welcome) translation, as well as the original text to the works page. It's helpful if you can use the heading {{Translation|English}} rather than {{Text|English}}, otherwise the work gets added to the sorted list of English texts, which it clearly isn't. Gelukkik nieuwjaar!
Jamesgibb (talk) 19:09, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

I understand. Thank you and Gelukkig Nieuwjaar. Wverkaik (talk) 10:21, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Lauda Jerusalem Dominum à 5

I entered this piece as a new piece. Later I saw there was already an edition, so I entered a new edition. Please can you remedy the erroneous entry? Thanks Wverkaik (talk) 15:39, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

No problem, Willem, it's done. Let me know if this is not what you expected. Thank you for your excellent contributions. Claude (talk) 15:58, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Claude, and a very good 2015.Wverkaik (talk) 11:05, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


Hi Willem, I was cleaning up your composer page and took the liberty to title your song cycle as Hooglied van Salomo, based on its text. If you have a better title for is, please change it at will. Regards, —Carlos Email.gif 16:52, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

CARLOS, that is perfect; thank you. There is surprisingly much Dutch in you. If you called it "Song of Songs", would it then have a wider application?? Wverkaik (talk) 21:22, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Maybe so, Willem; the title in English might reach a wider audience, indeed! All the best, —Carlos Email.gif 01:32, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Dixit Tobias

Willem, I've taken the liberty of adding an English translation to this. While doing so, I noticed that the Vulgate has benedicant rather than "benedicat". The former seems more logical, since the sense is may they bless rather than may he/she/it bless. However, the original may well have benedicat. (My family think I am a pedant too!)

I should say that I had never heard of Philippe de Monte before you started adding editions, so he's a very welcome addition!
Jamesgibb (talk) 17:25, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

I second James on both subjects! :) Philippe de Monte was indeed a great addition to the Renaissance section. And regarding the text, benedicat must have been a typo, because the compound subject requires a verb in the plural, benedicant. I took the liberty to correct it. —Carlos Email.gif 03:03, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you both for your comments and compliments. The original indeed gives benedicat, and as I'm not a good Latinist I tend to follow the original. You may have noticed that the present version deviates from the Vulgate in several places. Wverkaik (talk) 11:39, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
It's quite possible that in the original manuscript (or publication) the word appeared as benedicāt or benedicãt, the 'a' with a diacritic being a short form of 'an'. —Carlos Email.gif 16:06, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

In odorem unguentorum

Another small pickiness! I suspect that totom corde should in fact be toto corde, though it may be totom in the original.
Jamesgibb (talk) 11:56, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

You are right, the original also gives toto corde. Must have been a typing error on my account. Thanks for the correction and the translation.

Wverkaik (talk) 13:08, 7 February 2015 (UTC)


I am preparing three pieces by "Nanino" to be entered into CPDL. My source does not say which Nanino. Can you help me out? The pieces are named:

  • Audi, benigne conditor
  • Decora lux
  • Gavisi sunt discipuli

Thanks very much Wverkaik (talk) 09:55, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Willem, it's Giovanni Maria Nanino. [1] Regards, —Carlos Email.gif 19:25, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Pierre de la Rue

Pierre de la Rue (Peter from the Street) is listed in the composer pages under "L". This is very strange. The most logical choice would be under R from Rue; alternatively if a choice is made to list composers under any character following the first name it should the D for de la Rue (similar to the "d" for Josquin des Prez, or Vincent d'Indy). Trying to find Pierre de la Rue in the composer pages I was unable to find him until I searched the complete data base and found him under L. Is there a policy for this phenomenon? Wverkaik (talk) 13:13, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Willem. Thank you for your contributions, as numerous as of first quality. About alphabetical sorting, please have a look at that page where you can find La Rochefoucauld (François de). By the way, I've seen you corrected some error in my addition of texts of scores you edited recently. Therefore, I strongly suggest you to add underlay texts yourself to work pages, even more time than you yet do (thanks). It's easier for you directly within the AddWork form and it will minimize the risk of errors. Claude (talk) 14:34, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Quam pulchra es (John Pyamour)

Hi! I'm interested in performing the Pyamour Quam pulchra with my ensemble Machaut Machine, but I would like to know what source you have used.
Peeter (talk) 11:51, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Hallo, Peeter, Sorry for responding so late; I have been away for some time. I have thinned out my library, so I can't tell you what my source was. Hope you can use it anyway. Good luck Wverkaik (talk) 13:03, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Delete page

Hi, I created a new page named: L'Amfiparnaso(Orazio Vecchi)

Later I properly created the page: L'Amfiparnaso (Orazio Vecchi)

(note the subtle difference)

The first mentioned page should be deleted. Can you do that for me? Thanks Wverkaik (talk) 15:30, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi Willem! To add new scene to L'Amfiparnaso, you don't need to create new pages: when submitting them, just use L'Amfiparnaso as title and the new editions will be added to that page. You'll just have to move them to the proper place inside the page. Kind regards, —Carlos (talk) Email.gif 15:57, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Delete page Lamentations 4 voices (Jean Mouton)

I made an error attributing these Lamentations to Jean Mouton. Could you remove this page and the related files and references. Thank you Wverkaik (talk) 12:06, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello Willem, the files were deleted, and the old page was merged into the new one in order to keep the page history. I noticed that the systems are not distributed consistently on the new score. Would you be able to upload a new version where all pages show three systems except for the first one? Thanks again! —Carlos (talk) Email.gif 17:23, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
PS: To request that a page be deleted, you may also edit it and place {{subst:delete|reason}} on top of it.

Cinfitebor tibi Domine

I just added Cinfitebor tibi Domine. Should be of course Confitebor. Can you please adapt the page. I should not be doing this on the last day of the year. Thanks Wverkaik (talk) 14:09, 31 December 2015 (UTC)


Willem, you'll have noticed that we've been making changes to the composer pages so that new works are automatically added and in the correct sorted order. We've also removed the file links on the composer page because we've found that, if people updated files on the works page, they often forgot to do so on the composer page too, so we ended up with out-of-date files. It's still to some extent work in progress, particularly on complicated composer pages, but I'd be interested to have your opinion on the changes so far.Jamesgibb (talk) 08:00, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Indeed I noticed James. I understand why it is done. For me it sometimes makes it difficult to position pieces that belong together (e.g. First/Second part) as the titles are now positioned alphabetically. I have as yet not found a decent way to reposition the pieces. Maybe you have a solution.

Wverkaik (talk) 15:45, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

See Giovanni Cavaccio Wverkaik (talk) 15:59, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Willem. That's a useful point, to which I don't know the answer. I've put out a similar message to several people who are regular contributors so, once I've collated all the comments, I'll pass them on to other administrators for comment and, I hope, solution. Once problem we have is that the site had grown organically, sometimws in directions that, in retrospect, were unfortunate! Are you happy for your comments to be attributed, or would you prefer them to be anonymous?Jamesgibb (talk) 16:09, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

I have no problem to being attributed.Wverkaik (talk) 16:25, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Willem. Didn't think there would be a problem, but it seemed sensible to check.Jamesgibb (talk) 18:04, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Per obedir' a la sua Ninfa

I tried to add this score to Luzzascho Luzzaschi, but there was a fatal error. So I made a new page: Per obedir' a la sua Ninfa Couls you please add this page to the composer's page and correct possible other connections. Thanks Wverkaik (talk) 12:38, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

I've also had a fatal error trying to upload a new edition today, Willem. I've let Max Capozza know, since he understands these things.

Fatal error: Class 'mysqli' not found in /home/choralwi/public_html/wiki/extensions/ChoralWiki/CreateAddWorkCode.php on line 225 Jamesgibb (talk) 14:50, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

The server was updated to a new php version today, as it is mandatory to update the MediaWiki software in the future. To my surprise, the new php version was not built with a specific extension named mysqli, which I thought it was mandatory on all new php versions. I'm now re-building the system including mysqli, and it will take some 20 - 30 minutes. After that, hopefully everything will work as normal. Fingers crossed... Max Capozza a.k.a. --Choralia (talk) 16:09, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
The mysqli extension is now installed, and a test submission I made worked fine. Problem solved, hopefully... --Choralia (talk) 16:24, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
The work page is not complete, lacking a CPDL number. Could one of you fill the AddWork form to get it? Claude (talk) 18:04, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
Done. It should be OK now. --Choralia (talk) 20:22, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Viva in guerra mendico (Luca Marenzio)

Good morning, I typed in "Viva...." . This has to be "Vivo...." Could you please change this? Thanks

Wverkaik (talk) 06:58, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


Dag Willem,

een vraagje in verband met de partituur van L'amfiparnaso (Vecchi), meer bepaald de transpositie die je maakte. Waarschijnlijk heb je deze (een kleine terts lager) gemaakt omwille van de bezetting waarin je die hebt uitgevoerd? Ik vroeg me of een versie een kwart getransponeerd historisch gezien niet veel logischer is? Dat is een logische chiavetti transpositie...

In alle geval ben ik op zoek naar een versie die een kwart lager getransponeerd is ipv een kleine terts. Aangezien ikzelf geen finale gebruik, kan ik die partituur niet direct omzetten. Kan jij me hiermee helpen?

Alvast bedankt, Dries Fonteyn (Leuven)

Dries, Ik heb een reactie gestuurd via

Wverkaik (talk) 09:33, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Ardo si ma non t'amo

I wonder if you have considered the possibility that this work may have been composed by Tomas Luis de Victoria. Admittedly it does not look like a work by Victoria, but he was obviously resourceful enough to change styles.

The period is right. Victoria was not Italian but he was working in Italy at the time of the publication. And most or all of his works were published in Rome. This is verified in Grove's dictionary.

Cristobal de Morales also wrote hardly any secular music but was persuaded to contribute a madrigal to a collection compiled by Arcadelt. So why not Victoria?

Jgoodliffe (talk) 11:48, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Regina coeli cum 8 vocibus (Baccusi)

Hi Willem, thank you so much for your Baccusi editions, I've really enjoyed getting to know this music. I saw that you have written on the file of this piece that it is by Orlando Lasso - perhaps from a previous template? I always appreciate it when people are in contact with me about my editions as some things get missed after spending so much time on the one file. I hope you don't mind. Regards, Will Wevans (talk) 04:41, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Hallo Willem, heel erg bedankt voor de Baccusi edities, ik heb het erg leuk gevonden om deze muziek te leren kennen. Ik zag dat je op het bestand van dit stuk hebt geschreven dat het van Orlando Lasso is - misschien van een eerder sjabloon? Ik waardeer het altijd als mensen contact met mij hebben over mijn edities omdat sommige dingen gemist worden na zoveel tijd aan het ene bestand te hebben besteed. Ik hoop dat u het niet erg vindt. Groeten, Will

Vertaald met

Regina coeli cum 8 vocibus

Hi Will, You are so right. I have corrected it. Thanks very much. Kind regards (Wverkaik (talk) 08:42, 10 June 2019 (UTC))

Deus tuorum militum (Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina)

Hi Willem,

I'm working on Hymni totius anni (Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina) and noticed you have a Deus tuorum militum (Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina) that's different from both Nos. 27 & 28 and, as far as I can see, from any other hymn in that volume using the mode I tune! Do you recall its source? All the best, Richard Mix (talk) 21:24, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Richard,
It is a couple of years ago; I can't find or recollect my source.
Regards and good luck
Wverkaik (talk) 08:42, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
It just occurred to me that the supplemental volumes of the Opera omnia might not be included in the IMSLP list of works: sure enough, it's there in vol XXX, p. 129! Unlike other works in the appendix, this one even seems to have a good claim to authenticity. Richard Mix (talk) 17:35, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Felix namque es (Giovanni Francesco Anerio)

Hi Willem,

I'm confused by your changing the number of voices field at Felix namque es (Giovanni Francesco Anerio). It seem to me to be for a single voice with basso continuo, baritone or bass. The number of voicings on the other hand would of course be 2! Richard Mix (talk) 23:12, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Hallo Richard, The "baritone or bass" is unfortunately the only way I could find to indicate both a solo bariton and a solo bass. Do you know how to achieve this? Thanks Wverkaik (talk) 06:44, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't think we're dealing with "and" but rather with "or", do you? The figured (and untexted) continuo is too close to the solo voice to make sense as a 'duet', and the publication title Musiche Varie a una voce seems to underline this. So,
Number of voices: 1v Voicing: Solo Baritone or Solo Bass
Richard Mix (talk) 10:17, 23 December 2021 (UTC)