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Monteverdi Translations: Fourth Book


I see that translations I created and added on an external site (belonging to me) ( were deleted on 16th June 2008. Is that decision final, or is there the possibility that they could, at my request, be reinstated?

Charles Marshall --Charlesmarshall65 11:18, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Marshall, your translations are most welcome on CPDL! But when people come here searching for a title and find a link, they expect to see a musical edition on that page, not just the lyrics or translations, so there's no point in creating a "score" page for the text only (or worse, just a link to an external page). If I may suggest something, you could create a page on CPDL that would gather all your translations for works that have no individual pages created yet, so that your intellectual work will still be available. Have a look at ChoralWiki:Translations/Swithinbank and if you like the idea, just click here to start your own page! Regards, —Carlos Email.gif 14:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Many thanks Carlos. I have begun working on the page as you suggested. --Charlesmarshall65 20:31, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Hey Marshall, your page looks great! A link to it was included on Monteverdi's Fourth Book page. —Carlos Email.gif 04:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to be picky but...

I don't suppose there is any way to alter your new Template:LyricistSettingsList to make only the work title italicized? I suspect there isn't a way but I thought I'd ask anyway. --Bobnotts talk 13:15, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

The short answer is "no" because the results are generated from the page titles in a category. I have some proposals that might eventually get around this problem, but they are still in the formative stage and would require extensive "recataloguing" of CPDL data. Chucktalk Giffen 14:12, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi Rob, Chuck already said it all :) —Carlos Email.gif 21:26, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Can't upload .sib files

Hi Carlos,

Currently we can't upload Sibelius files (.sib extension)

Any idea why ?

- John

Johnhenryfowler 00:44, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi John, the problem seems to be fixed now, we had to tweak some configuration files for them to recognize Sibelius (and Encore) files. —Carlos Email.gif 06:28, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Reverted your edit

Hi Carlos. I've just reverted your most recent edit to Template:Website as it messed up the formatting of the link. I'm afraid I haven't found what in your edit did this. --Bobnotts talk 21:00, 20 October 2008 (UTC) PS. The rollback function seems to have reverted all your edits since the template was edited by Vaarky - sorry about that! --Bobnotts talk 21:02, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Carlos and Rob. The problem was extra space (blankline & return) between the commented out stuff at the top and the includeonly section, which is why I think that putting stuff in comments inside a template is dangerous. -- Chucktalk Giffen 22:29, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
That's weird... then the <includeonly> section doesn't work as expected. But I still think comments are a good thing, the stuff I wrote in it is not intended for the ordinary users and could possibly just confound them. —Carlos Email.gif 01:40, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
If the commented out stuff is made into documentation which is put inside a noinclude, then it is still visible to one editing the template (to add a new website). -- Chucktalk Giffen 11:37, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Relative link to the BB

Hi Carlos, I noted in the "recent changes" page that you made the link to the BB relative. This is OK at the moment when we have both the wiki and the BB at, but I'm not sure this will be the final condition as operations with two servers (one hosting the wiki and one hosting the BB, with reciprocal back-up) remain the objective. The relative link may need to be reverted to absolute in the future. --Choralia 06:02, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Max, the "relative" BB address is not related to the current Wiki server, but to a particular system configuration page, i.e., MediaWiki:Discussions-url. The idea is to have just one place to alter whenever the BB address changes, so that maintenance is easier. —Carlos Email.gif 21:25, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
OK, Carlos, makes sense! ;) Choralia 22:07, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Verse template

Hey Carlos,

thanks for formatting the verse numbers from the passion - I didn't know the command "verse". I did this text editing because now there are no requests for french texts left; it looked easy for me, but the text of the whole passion took a "little bit" of time. But now, together with your formatting it is really nice!! Now I have to go to bed - next rehearsal is on 10 a.m.!! :-( Regards,


You're welcome, Martin! —Carlos Email.gif 17:49, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Help needed

Hi Carlos,

Want to post 2 new composer pages to assist me with Sabine Cassola's five new submissions ?

Missa Ancor che col partire -
Jachet de Mantova (Jacques Colebault) 1483-1559

Missa Ancor che col partire - 4 vocum -
Filip de Monte 1521-1603

I'm not sure if Colebault is the composer's name, or de Mantova.

Thanks !

Johnhenryfowler 17:25, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi John! This time I won't have any work, these composers pages are already available: Philippe de Monte and Jacquet de Mantua. :)
Regards —Carlos Email.gif 17:49, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for helping me find them. I would have set up a composer page for deMonte (under D), and for de Montova - not for de Mantua - so your assistance is appreciated ! Johnhenryfowler 21:18, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I've added Filip as an alternate spelling to deMonte's composer page; the other spellings were there so a search on CPDL should find them. Thanks for helping get these scores up on the site! Vaarky 22:30, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Text pages

Definitely a good idea to move back to regular pages than categories. But now, perhaps it would be a good idea to have an optional variable for the TextSettingsList template for number of columns? The lists on Kyrie and O salutaris hostia would benefit from being in 2 or 3 columns. --Bobnotts talk 14:06, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes Rob, the text categories started appearing as subcategories of the new "<language> translations" categories and it looked awkward. The optional number of columns is now available as the second parameter. —Carlos Email.gif 17:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Contributions from Enrico Vercesi

Hi Carlos. I've just been trying to post a work by Enrico Vercesi but he hasn't included links for files, nor has he uploaded any files. I noticed that you have created pages and uploaded files for his works, though. Do you have an email address? The add works data in question is CPDL #18256, added 2008-11-05. Thanks --Bobnotts talk 11:11, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Rob, I created those pages based on 3 Finale files he had uploaded, from which I created the PDF and MIDI files. A few days later he wrote me thanking for having created the pages and asking for some technical help. His email address was then included in his user page. You could try to write him asking for the missing files. —Carlos Email.gif 13:38, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, Carlos. I didn't check his user page. The obvious place to start but then I did expect him to have added his email address. --Bobnotts talk 16:30, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Your changes of the works of Georg Friedrich Händel

Hi Carlos,

as I'm a nearly new member of the active "staff", I look at the changes very carefully to learn how things in CPDL are done. I saw that you changed many works of George Frideric Handel to a uniform name, which surely is a very good idea. But if you don't mind, I would like to discuss a question with you which is a little bit "special", because Handel is a very famous composer in Great Britain, and many English-speaking people think that he was an English composer. His most famous "Halleluja", as I know, is nearly a "second national anthem". So, probably I'm touching a sensitive point (?).

But as a German, I wonder why the name of Georg Friedrich Händel (!) is spelled in the English way. He was born in Germany, and his name, as far as I know, was never changed. Even the first names are spelled "wrong". To solve the problem of the letter "ä", which is not used in many languages, in Germany it is (officially) written as "ae".

As a German musician, I would never search for "Handel" if I looked for "Händel". Whenever I see the name "Handel", I would assume that someone meant "Handl" (= Jacobus Gallus) and left a letter.

Even the meanings of his two names are different: The word "Händel" in German means "quarrel", the word "Handel" means "trade".

Is it useful to change names to an English spelling in general ("John Sebastian Buck"? "Louis of Batehouven"? "Joseph Wheredee"?)? Or does it just make sense in the case of the "English national composer" Händel/Handel?

I am very interested in your opinion, and I hope that you can understand my bad English. With kind regards,


Hi Martin! Thanks for writing exposing your opinion. I do understand what you mean, I wouldn't like to see a composer from my country (I'm Brazilian) having his name translated too. But as you, I'm relatively new to CPDL (active for way less than a year) and many things were already established long before that. Perhaps the older admins could explain this particular choice, but I guess it's related with the fact that Händel lived most part of his life in England and became a citizen of that country. Sorry for not being of help on this subject. —Carlos Email.gif 13:51, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I think that the general policy used at CPDL for the spelling of names is based on the consistency with the version of Wikipedia in English language. It makes sense, in my opinion, as the CPDL website is in English. In the versions of Wikipedia in German and in Italian the spelling used is "Georg Friedrich Händel", so if one day there will be a version of CPDL in German or in Italian, "Georg Friedrich Händel" would be be used in lieu of "George Frideric Handel". At the moment, being CPDL in English only, I think that sticking to the "Wikipedia English" spelling is correct. Choralia 15:30, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Add works form

Hi Carlos. I recall you making a few alterations to the add works form. Joachim has made a suggestion here - is it doable? --Bobnotts talk 17:04, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Rob, I'm still not sure if that can be done in an easy way. I intend to propose soon a more flexible tool for adding works, because having to make changes to a php coded page each time is not the best solution ;) —Carlos Email.gif 15:57, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Fair enough. I look forward to it. --Bobnotts talk 00:08, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


Hi Carlos, I'm about to start dealing with the 'Alleluia' pages in the Latin text request section. However, the word Alleluia is Hebrew in the strict sense. Any advice as to how to deal with this? I don't think it is as simple as just changing the lang cat, because most of the plainchant Alleluias have verses in Latin added to them. Cordially, joachim 12:45, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Joachim. Despite being of Hebrew origin, the word/expression Alleluia has long been incorporated to most languages, with spelling adaptations when necessary (in Portuguese it's Aleluia, in Spanish Aleluya etc.). Here is my suggestion on how to deal with these works:
  1. If the work has some extra text besides the word Alleluia, then follow the language of the text.
  2. If the work has only Alleluia as text (or its variant spellings), consider it as being in the same language as that used by the religion of the composer: Latin for Catholics; English for Anglicans; and, for Protestants, the language of the country he was working in by the time of the composition. In this last case, having a look at the original spelling used by the composer himself might help too.
All the best and keep up the good work! —Carlos Email.gif 16:48, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I think Carlos's suggestions are quite sensible. -- Chucktalk Giffen? 15:40, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Works with no lyrics

Hi Carlos. Great job on Category:Wordless works. I wonder, though, for works which are intended to be sung to words, such as hymn settings (here and here) whether this category is appropriate? --Bobnotts talk 10:33, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Rob, in fact I didn't have time to check each of these works to see if they were in the appropriate category. I just wanted to finish applying template:Language to all work pages, and had to create new categories in order to deal with the works that had "Language: Unknown/Other/None/Various/(void)", otherwise they would be included in strange categories as "Works in None", "Works in Unknown" etc. Category Wordless works was created only for "Language: None", and all the others were included in category Works in unknown language. If you'd like to suggest better names for the categories go ahead, the change is simple. —Carlos Email.gif 14:28, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks (re: IsNew)

Hi Carlos. Thanks for noting that #time: could also be applied to the parameter - something I missed in my haste! The template is much "cleaner" now. -- Chucktalk Giffen? 15:00, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


Hi Carlos. I still haven't heard from the uploader/contributor on the Daniel Clément issue. Hope springs eternal, though. Secondly, as Rob said you were busy working on an 'add works' form, I thought I'd let you know I came across a minor error in the current version: the form includes an extra (and superfluous) space in the hyperlink to the source file, which causes the full address to appear, rather than just the music program title. Just so you know. Cordially, joachim 16:58, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Seasonal music for Advent and Christmas

Hi Carlos. While I like some aspects of your sorting by category,sortkey, it does cause one problem that I had tried to avoid when I made those lists... namely, the duplication of listings (eg. of Alma Redemptoris settings) under more than one heading. And these days, having the listings for Advent, Advent I,..., Advent IV in a listing of this sort might be "cutting the bologna a little to thin". What these listings now accomplish is a combination of the listings of each of the categories Advent, Advent I, Advent II, Advent III, Advent IV, Christmas, and Ephiphany - one after the other. Maybe that's what you had in mind, but it's not what I had in mind. My thoughts went more to providing a single list of all the works for the "holiday season", without regard to separating them out in the various subcategories (with the resulting duplications). What do you think? -- Chucktalk Giffen? 04:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi Chuck, sorry for that, I thought it would be an improvement. Shouldn't these works appear under just one of the headings? I'm not familiarized with these categories, and can't see much difference between Advent/Christmas/Carols :) Well, at least I caught a typo that was leaving the Epiphanies out of the list (and you did it again above! Ephiphany lol) —Carlos Email.gif 07:18, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi Carlos. E"ph"ipany! LOL. As for multiple headings - "Alma Redemptoris Mater" is sung from the first Sunday in Advent until the Feast of the Purification (February 2), so it really falls under Advent, Christmas, and Ephiphany (I typed it right this time!). Most works should fall into just one category, although a few will necessarily (and others by oversight) fall into more than one category. Of course, I was staying away from secular Christmas stuff. And I've always been bothered by Carols, since there are some carols that are not Christmas carols at all (summer carols, Easter carols, etc.). Advent presented its own problems, because some works originally or "officially(?)" are for specific Sundays of Advent, while others are general Advent, and still others bridging several Sundays of Advent - but with the overall collection so small, I've tried to remove "Advent" from a work that is already classified in "Advent N" (N is I, II, III, or IV). And, of course, I'm still checking through these when I have time. -- Chucktalk Giffen? 17:49, 10 December 2008 (UTC)