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Some doubts

Hi! I just applied to volunteer by adopting J.S.Bach's replied...but I don't know if I can start right now or if I need to wait for some special authorization or something...

Another question... How can I respond to a score request? I visited the list of requests but I don't find a way to take that request...How does it work? Thanks! Saniakob 07:57, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi! I happened to see your question about adopting JS Bach, so I replied there that I'd add you, and you can start right away. I also updated the actual page about adopting composers (since it wasn't clear) to encourage people to claim a composer by editing the adoption list to add their own name and feel free to start working on the composer even without admin action. Hope Rob doesn't mind if I chime in here.
As for marking requests completed, the way to do that is to edit the individual request entry where it says Requested in curly brackets to change it to Completed, and to add at the bottom a link to the location of the new score. The Requests page has a link at the top that allows you to see the Completed requests versus the ones that are still in Requested status, so you can check the format of a sample completed score to see how the link to the uploaded score is formatted. Hope this helps--feel free to post if you have further questions. Similarly, you can change the status to Pending if you want to indicate that you are taking that request and working on it. --Vaarky 15:18, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for replying, Vaarky, but please don't use Template:ItemPost or Template:Reply on this page. Thanks! --Bobnotts talk 14:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Rossi: Rorate caeli

Hi Rob, I´ve put the latin words to that work, which originally is for instruments. But even in my biggest dictionary I can't find the correct english word for the german 'Textunterlegung'. I've found the verb: to put or set words to a tune. And the substantive? Would you please help me? Thanks and regards, --Christophero Manco 23:31, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

The translation you want is "text underlay" (two words). You will find this term used several times at ChoralWiki. -- Chucktalk Giffen 14:21, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer! --Christophero Manco 23:24, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

out of curisority, why do you prefer no ItemPost and Reply?

Just noticed the text at the top of your talk page. Out of curiosity, can you say more about why you prefer people to avoid these templates? Is it aesthetic reasons, or are there other aspects such as page size etc.? Tx. -- Vaarky 16:15, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

It's purely aesthetic :-) For me, using the template is more complicated for new users (and some more seasoned ones) than simply typing their message and signing it in the manner explained above the edit window when editing a talk page. So if it's not used universally, it becomes mildly annoying when reading a discussion which includes a variety of indentations and formatting. I don't believe I'm being draconian in making this request on my talk page alone but perhaps you disagree? --Bobnotts talk 19:48, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I completely understand. Just was curious if there were additional considerations besides the aesthetic ones, such as trying to reduce system cycles or filesize. Tx for the further info. --Vaarky 00:10, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

About "Sé de una hermosa rosa"

Thanks for your answer in the song's discussion! Ok, composer is "Traditional". Should I put the link by hand in the "composer's" page? Do you mean this? In other wiki about music which I participate, songs are listed automatically in the corresponding category. About the other question, on the original text, I will answer at Carlos' talk page. --Mpancorbo 21:49, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that's correct, you need to add the composer entry on the composer page manually. In this case, because "Sé de una hermosa rosa" is a translation of another work already available on CPDL, I've merged the entry into Jag vet en dejlig rosa (Traditional). Regards --Bobnotts talk 18:41, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!

Happy Birthday to you, Rob! At least that is what the forums report today. Have a good weekend, too. -- Chucktalk Giffen 14:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Wishing you good things for the coming year, and beyond... -- Vaarky 02:29, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks guys! I was able to celebrate my birthday in the midst of preparations for a performance of Handel's Messiah in the Royal Albert Hall, London, as part of the BBC Proms series, available to "listen again" on the BBC website, if you feel so inclined. --Bobnotts talk 17:55, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations Rob, it's a very nice recording. I managed to download it to my computer to listen offline. In case you don't have it yet I can send the whole file to you; just drop me a line. —Carlos Email.gif 21:04, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


Hello Bob, it seems that your cat=no extension of the translations template doesn’t work. I noticed that you’ve applied it to Brahms’ Wiegenlied site a few days ago, but it’s still categorized in Category:Italian translations. —Robert Urmann 19:49, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, Bob, that’s getting strange: I used various browsers to see if it could be up to Firefox’s cache that the translations page doesn’t fully reload. At first it seemed to work—but then I logged in and … Brahms’ Wiegenlied was back!!! I logged out, reloaded and—the site was gone. The Italian translations page lists 92 pages when logged in, and 81 when logged out! Any idea??? —Robert Urmann 17:29, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Brahms: Der Mann WoO 31,5

Hi Bob, I've tried to correct the links and templates, but I failed. Now, I better do not change anything. Sorry. Regards from --Christophero Manco 08:22, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I’ve already done it. Many thanks for all the scores, Christoph! You can compare the edits and see what happened. —Robert Urmann 08:47, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Re Purcell in B flat - no, I am not planning any more of this service. dst 17:48, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Scanned editions

Hi Rob, don't you think that a person who digitizes a PD score and creates a PDF from it deserves to be called an "editor"? I can't see why Yu Chao should be labeled just a "Contributor" in ‎‎, please explain me your reasoning. —Carlos Email.gif 17:33, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi Carlos. No, I don't think that a person who digitises a PD score and creates a PDF from it deserves to be called an "editor". What have they edited? Nothing, as far as I can see. This has been the standard adopted on CPDL for some time, on this page and many others. --Bobnotts talk 20:57, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I wasn't aware of this unwritten standard :) Then I suspect that all 20 editions by user:Jim Taylor will have to be changed accordingly, as well as a few others that I could spot: [1], [2], [3], [4]. Thanks for the info, —Carlos Email.gif 02:07, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Ah yes, one of the many unwritten rules! Yes, those editions should be labelled in the same way. --Bobnotts talk 22:01, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
What about the 'music facsimile' category and the GIF template? Should we delete all these scores? The problem is that the PDF standard hides two kinds of scores: the vectorized one which includes notes, pitch, duration, tempo, etc (the really useful score for choirs) and the image one, without any reusable edition content. We, on CPDL, have about 10,000 vectorized score and about 100 scanned scores. As we are not a site for score's pictures collectors, we have to avoid the deception of users looking for reusable content. Can we imagine a warning on the Welcome page leading to IMSLP for scanned PD scores? We should keep scanned scores only if we have the vectorized one yet. Claude 07:22, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
The Music facsimiles category includes much more than works contributed to ChoralWiki which are scanned editions. It also includes (usually links to) digitized images of original music sources. These latter form an invaluable tool for scholars and CPDL users, for example, by comparison of CPDL editions with original sources (especially since editorial decisions must frequently be made in preparing modern editions), and by providing links to sources of (as yet) works not available at ChoralWiki. I would be loathe to remove the Music facsimiles category. Perhaps we should consider isolating the "contribution" of scanned images of scores in a separate (sub?)category, at least for the time being, and then having a full-blown discussion as to whether we should actually list/host such scans as CPDL "editions" ... This is an issue that has bothered me for quite some time. I'm contemplating a new template (or two, depending upon whether to use parameters) just for Facsimiles (PDFs actually hosted at ChoralWiki) and Facsimile Links (for links to facsimiles hosted elsewhere)/ A valid question would be whether continue to grace the former (scanned images "published" at ChoralWiki) with a CPDL edition number. I think the "Contributor" alternate listing for the Editor template was originally intended for listing the name of the person providing a score for which they added no editorial content (such as transcribing and "diplomatic" editions). Looking back over my reply, I wonder if perhaps this discussion should be continued in a better arena than Rob's talk page - maybe the forums? -- Chucktalk Giffen 13:44, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: Away in a manger

Hi Rob, yes, it's OK, of course! You're right: I'm not the composer of that tune. And thanks for letting me know the mistake on the homepage and in the score. I'll correct it soon. Regards from Christophero Manco 13:18, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

That leads to a question: Where shall I put my harmonization of O DU FRÖHLICHE (SATB)? - Not everybody will expect it at O SANCTISSIMA (original tune). Thanks and regards Christophero Manco 13:18, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
No problem. When the text is different, the harmonisation should be on a different page with a link to the original tune. --Bobnotts talk 13:58, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

mirror servers and probolems with servers

Hi Bob I have asked Mr Ormes and also Chuck Giffen but received no reply. Perhaps you can advise? I have been wanting to change an external link on the Lamento D'Arianna page since the beginning of last week, but I always get an unavailable response and a redirect to the mirror site. Do you know what the situation is? Will changes on the mirror site be incorporated into the main site once it is up? Can you please let me know? Maybe you can email me on dwsolo at For interest the links to my performance (video) of Monteverdi's Lamento are:
part one:
part two:

(the old link being no longer valid)
Kind regards
dwsolo 14:10, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I've replied by email. --Bobnotts talk 15:27, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Liturgical music

Hi Rob. I noticed you changed the musical cat on this score. You attempted to start a discussion on the forums a while back on the issue of labelling "liturgical music" which, to the best of my knowledge, didn't really seem to be picked up by anyone but us. I'm afraid I feel that the "motet" label you added is not quite what we need. The piece is a sequence, and therefore in liturgical terms rather limited in its use. A motet is more versatile, since it mostly refers to an antiphon which, almost by definition, tends to be re-used throughout the church year. I deliberately did not pick the "motets" cat, because I feel it might make a substantial difference to those conductors and singers who value this sort of background information in compiling their programs, as I do. As vague as "liturgical music" might seem, it is closer to the piece than "motet". Cordially, joachim 19:06, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Walford Davies Pslam

My Religious Institution give me full copyright license for all works that are taken from the our music library this is inculded in it Davcpas123 12:57, 25 December 2009 (GMT)

David, thank you for your reply but I'm afraid it hasn't elucidated the issue for me. What is this "full copyright license"? What does it entail? --Bobnotts talk 16:05, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the message, and merry Christmas to you too. I'll endeavour to get the titles right in future. I tried changing one on the composer page, but it then seemed to want me to submit the music details again. Rather than do so, I've left it to the experts, since I was worried that I might create havoc by doing it myself. I've also been consistently leaving off the music files heading, I gather. I'll aim not to do that in future.

I've been meaning to get round to contributing, since I have a lot of stuff in Capella that I've amassed over the years. The trouble is that, if you are only adding one piece, the process can seem a bit daunting. However, we're in Italy at the moment for three weeks and I've now got into the swing of it. I've even been impertinent enough to change the order of the oratorios on the Handel page. I transcribed all the choruses from Samson a year or so back when ourchoir did it - the text is a bit non-PC! - and noticed that it wasn't on CPDL at the moment. So I edited the file so that they now appear in alphabetical order. Hope that I haven't caused a major upset in ignorance.

I haven't yet got round to adding texts, but I'll endeavour to master that shortly. Jamesgibb 18:04, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

CPDL #1960

Hi Rob! I just saw that the above edition was removed after being reported as a plagiarism ([1]). How do you think about completely removing the (quite useless) remainder of this edition? —Carlos Email.gif 02:12, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi Carlos, yeah sure, I've removed it. --Bobnotts talk 10:49, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! —Carlos Email.gif 12:18, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

John/Richard Dering

Sorry about that, Bob. Incompetence on my part. I was correcting a misattribution (John Dering, instead of Richard Dering) and misunderstood at what point I should use move page. Perhaps I'll leave it to the experts in future! Incidentally, it's not entirely obvious to me how I reply to comments. I've used User talk, but it would seem sensible if I could do it straight from your comment. Jamesgibb 12:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi James. No problem, I know the right way to approach a problem is far from obvious when you're new to a wiki. Don't worry about trying to fix problems yourself (mistakes can always be corrected) but if you want to ask first, feel free to post your question here or on the forums. As for replying to messages on talk pages, all you need do is click on the "edit" button at the top of the page or directly right of the discussion title. --Bobnotts talk 16:32, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


Hi Bob,

The upload section isn't very Linux friendly. We Ubuntu users - some 13 million strong use MuseScore as our editor. It outputs in it's native format (mscz) as well as MusicXML and LilyPond. Sound outputs include MIDI, FLAC and OGG.

I can convert to mp3, but it's yet another extra step in the process. There are also Mac and Windows versions of MuseScore, and it's open source.

If I'm not mistaken, Mac users can open FLAC and OGG natively, and there are freebies for Windows users.

I suspect your server is running Linux.

Gacb 19:52, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Hello there. I'm afraid I don't know very much about the server setup here at CPDL. Your query would be better addressed to Max or Carlos, our two techies. Regards --Bobnotts talk 23:15, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


Hi Bob,

I left my thoughts here after realizing a simple redirect wont solve the problem. Or is there a way to redirect categories? Richard Mix 05:18, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Richard and Rob. One should use something like:   Meter: {{cat|86. 86. D (C.M.D.)}}. I fixed the two works in Category:CMD and deleted the category. You're right, there is no adequate redirect for categories, so these fixes should be done by hand. – Chucktalk Giffen 23:32, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Rorate coeli


I'm not sure understand "incorrect composer" part of the cleanup tag, even after checking "what links here". I notice that the familiar Anglican "Advent Prose" here is not the same as the introit for Advent IV in the LU, though: did you mean it's not properly 'Gregorian'? "Sarum chant", perhaps? The Oxford Carol book is oddly unhelpful... Richard Mix 06:03, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Richard. Sorry for the late reply. I've completed the "administrative" elements of the clean up but, like you, the origin of this antiphon is unknown to me. Perhaps it would be better placed as "Anonymous"? --Bobnotts talk 13:59, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
The one given as "Gregorian chant" is indeed from the Liber Usualis. See here. – Chucktalk Giffen 15:56, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Ah yes, in the appendix on p. 1569, where it appears to be an item that may be freely used throughout Advent. This needs to be disambiguated from the one on p. 320 that I described at Talk:Rorate caeli (introit) (Gregorian chant). I would suggest Rorate caeli (introit) and Rorate caeli (Advent prose), and replacing the merger tag on the two present pages, if this is indeed the same as Rorate caeli (introit) (Gregorian chant). Richard Mix 22:26, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Are we in danger of splitting hairs too finely here and over-categorizing? Honestly, I don't know. – Chucktalk Giffen 05:05, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
There exist two different pieces of music, but if you have been able to open the file at Rorate caeli (introit) (Gregorian chant) and it's the same music as the page you cited above, then we currently have two pages with the same music that should be merged. Can you confirm that please? Richard Mix 09:17, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
As I stated on one of the talk pages, they are different pieces. As for the issue over the "composer", I'd be happier sticking to Anonymous for anything which doesn't fit under the current Gregorian chant or Ambrosian chant pages. --Bobnotts talk 12:27, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry to sound like a broken record, but since I cant open finale files, would either of you please answer my question on Talk:Rorate caeli (introit) (Gregorian chant)? Richard Mix 20:42, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi Richard. I've just reformatted the link on the page so that it is now a deep link, pointing directly to the Finale file. You should be able to download it and open it in Finale 2003 or later, or by using the free Finale Reader. The situation with Abel di Marco's website is unlikely to change and we cannot host PDF files for copyright reasons. However, deep links like this one should be a workable solution. I (or someone else!) just needs to update all the links on CPDL now... --Bobnotts talk 10:38, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I was finally able to open the file, and indeed the DiMarco edition, with different music from the Solims edition, is the Gregorian Introit for Advent IV, with the Psalm (Caeni enerrant gloriam Dei...) and Gloria Patri. The second and third verses (given in the text for that page) are not underlaid. The music for the Solims edition is 9I believe) intended as the Antiphon for the prayers "Ne irascaris", "Peccavimus", "Vide Domine", "Consolamini" (in the reference cited above) for Advent, known in the Anglican church as "Advent Prose". It has been CPDL norm to refrain (as much as possible) from putting anything other than composer/source in parentheses in the title of a works page, so perhaps it is better here simply to disambiguate. Alternatively, if we must indicate the function parenthetically in the title, then I suggest "Rorate caeli (Antiphon) (Gregorian chant)" and "Rorate caeli (Introit) (Gregorian chant)". –Chucktalk Giffen 12:30, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I think a simple disambiguation of "Rorate caeli desuper I (Gregorian chant)" and "Rorate caeli desuper II (Gregorian chant)" is the best solution here. I agree with Chuck that we should avoid including the genre/liturgical use of the work in the page title. --Bobnotts talk 21:49, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks to both your efforts! Finale reader doesnt seem to work on my Mac, but at least it seems clear to me now what we're dealing with. Indices of chant books sort works by function and since it's not obvious which would be I and which II anyway, I'd vote for something like Chuck's dab above: "Rorate caeli (Introit) (Gregorian chant)" & "Rorate caeli (Advent Prose) (Gregorian chant)". Richard Mix 08:27, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm surprised that Finale Reader won't work on your computer. I noted that there's a Mac version when I looked at the webpage earlier. What was the problem you had? I ask because this will have a wider effect on our Mac users who won't otherwise be able to access the Finale-only editions available here. --Bobnotts talk 21:17, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Persistence seems to pay off: if I click on an ETF file, it launches finale Reader 2009.r1 for Mac which I had previously installed, but nothing further happens. Going through File/open gets me the "Finale Reader cannot open ETF files" message. But File/open _does_ work with .mus and I can now see the Rorate coeli introit. Clicking on Marco's "partitura" buttons (, however, gets me nothing but a picture of a coffee cup, with no "save as" option. I think Vaarky has this same problem. Richard Mix 23:18, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Violin accompaniment category


Would it be possible to add a category for "violin accompaniment"? There is one for the flute, for instance. "String ensemble" on its own seems inappropriate for a single violin with continuo or a virtuoso solo violin, string ensemble and continuo for instance. Jonathang 22:03, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Jonathan. I've just created the relevant template and category as requested. --Bobnotts talk 16:15, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Franz Schubert - Fünf Duette

Good evening Mr Bobnotts... I have some problems to edit Schubert's composer page and also edit a new work page. I cannot input a newline character which make impossible to make link to more new works. In this case i uploaded a cycle of 5 duets of Schubert, each of which needs a new page for individual midi file ans typescore file. More, they each have a different catalogue number (Deutsch 199, 202, 203, 204 and 205). Can you please help me to handle this ? Is there any reason for this impossibility to put a newline character (CR) in the wiki modification frame ? The break markup doesnot even seem to function. Last week i was able to use that. Thank you.... BenZene 17:39, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi BenZene. To create a line break on a wiki page, simply type <br>. As for your other queries, I'm afraid I'll have to take a look later as I've got to dash now. Perhaps you could let me know if you think you've figured it out? --Bobnotts talk 14:04, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

interwiki vs website

Hi Rob, this it just to let you know that I also created an interwiki for dimarco's site, and now both syntaxes can be used interchangeably:

  • [{{website|dimarco}}/Rorate%A0Caeli.MUS Finale 2003]
  • [[dimarco:Rorate%A0Caeli.MUS|Finale 2003]]

Which of them do you prefer? I particularly like the cleaner look of interwikis. —Carlos Email.gif 15:08, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Trying to upload new versions of my existing editions

Dear Robert, You helped me once before. I've uploaded new versions of three works by Robert Parsons which I had completed editorially. The next step is supposed to be (if just asking for help with this) to click on help - feedback. 'Feedback'I can't find anywhere, despite being logged on, so am now stymied. All advice welcome. Thanks. Mick Swithinbank

Hi Mick. I've just updated those three editions. Thanks for the revisions! Could you tell me where you were advised to click on "Help - feedback"? I'm a bit confused by that. --Bobnotts talk 22:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Matthew Weisher

Hi Rob. You created Matthew Weisher's composer page a few days ago, but there are no listed there. Are any forthcoming? I created Category:Matthew Weisher compositions for symmetry. If it turns out that Weisher should be (unhosted) then we'll have to delete the category I created. Best... – Chucktalk Giffen 22:53, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Chuck. If I remember correctly, I created that page intending to add a work by Weisher but then found he had not uploaded any files. I emailed him but haven't received a reply yet. If you want to delete the page or mark it for deletion if nothing added in a month, feel free. --Bobnotts talk 07:51, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Text source

Hi Bob,
I like the logic of your edit here, in that it takes the normal place of 'Lyricist'. Would we both be OK with some redundacy, though? Here it would be nice to see at a glance what came from where. Richard Mix 21:47, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

I see what you mean, Richard. Perhaps it could be done in small text like this? --Bobnotts talk 08:20, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, A nice trick to learn! Richard Mix 22:45, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Giovanni Ghizzolo

Hi Rob, I noticed that you changed the voicing in a couple of recent editions by this composer, from choral to solo. Do you think that in this case the genre Arias would fit better than Madrigals? —Carlos Email.gif 16:17, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Most likely, yes. To be honest, I don't really have any competency in this area. I was just going by the voicings for other similar works by him that have also been added here. --Bobnotts talk 16:19, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm only the humble uploader, so I don't really have anything to say about the scores or their background info, but to me as an amateur musician, "aria" sounds a lot later and stylistically different. The fact that the Italian publisher referred to his collections as (containing) arias doesn't suffice imho. They're short, secular (renascence) songs that do not fit into a larger composition, so I'd be hesitant in referring to them as arias. If we did, what would be the difference between an aria and, say, a German Lied, apart from the odd century or 3? Cordially, joachim 22:38, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Loading hymn tunes (without words)

Since I've been adding quite a bit to the Sullivan site, I am thinking of populating the list of hymn tunes there with actual music. However, I don't want to cause more irritation than necessary by doing it in a way that gives problems to the editors. I've therefore loaded one up (Constance). Could you take a look when you have a moment and let me know if you are happy with my doing it that way? If not, feel free to suggest how to improve it. Constance is also a tune for "I've found a friend" which I've loaded seperately under "Hymns with words". The two entries share a midi file, but the pdf and cap files are different. Let me know whether it would be easier to add another midi file or not.Jamesgibb 18:02, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi James. Thanks for all your contributions to date: the Sullivan page has really swelled recently! To your question... firstly, thank you for your consideration in only adding one first. Personally, I don't really see the point in contributing hymn tunes with the harmony alone without the hymn itself. The only exceptions I can think of are:
  1. when the tune and harmony never had words assigned to them during the composer's lifetime, or
  2. when the tune and harmony have been composed by a living composer who has contributed it in the hope that someone will add a suitable text.
My opinion is that without the words, a hymn tune and harmony is fairly useless unless we anticipate choral directors and choirmasters to come on here looking for particular tunes to set to words. Surely they already have hymn books in their churches or cathedrals? My standpoint is therefore that the best way to present hymns for download on this site is with all elements included, providing a different edition if necessary for a hymn tune that has more than one text commonly associated with it.
However, the official CPDL line on this is that these "hymn settings" are welcome for inclusion and I have just formatted Constance (Arthur Sullivan) in the way that I believe is consistent with the other "hymn settings" on here. We don't include the Language template on the page because there is no text. If you have any questions about meter, Chuck is probably your man!
Best wishes --Bobnotts talk 08:21, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
I take your point, given that the site is CHORAL Wiki, so choir Aahs replacing actual words is a bit odd. However, I think the site has more than one aim. One is to enable people to find particular pieces of music; I think a second is to point people towards other things by a composer they value, but which they didn't know existed. I'm sure that most hymnbooks will have Sullivan's "Golden Sheaves" set to "To Thee, O Lord, our hearts we raise", but many of his other tunes have disappeared from modern hymnbooks, perhaps because the words they were originally set to are very out of fashion nowadays. So I think there is a (minor) benefit in making such tunes available again. I think a sensible compromise would be to include still popular tunes with the words,(like "Golden Sheaves") but to load up other tunes without their now unfashionable words.Jamesgibb 20:11, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

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