User talk:Jkelecom
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Official welcome and thanks
Hi Joachim. As I recall, you fell into CPDL by offering to translate the score submission guide but as you've now started editing pages on the wiki, I feel I should give you a proper welcome. Thanks very much for all of the text links, texts and translations and other info that you've been adding, your work hasn't gone unnoticed! Just to let you know - the correct method of marking a broken link is to add the Template:Broken immediately before a PDF, MIDI or notation software link. It will output a red cross 
and add the page to the category of broken links. The code for this is {{broken}} Thanks again and if you have any questions, feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Regards --Bobnotts talk 20:40, 3 January 2008 (PST)
- Hi Rob. Thanks for that warm welcome. As my wiki skills improve, I hope to be able to enhance both the quality and the quantity of my contributions. I might start by figuring out how you sign a message like this one :p Keep up your brilliant work! Cordially, Joachim. Jkelecom 22:17, 3 January 2008 (PST)
May I add my welcome and thanks, too, Joachim. It is great to have your help here. By the way, you can edit the way your signed messages appear (when you type three or four tildes) by clicking on "preferences" and editing the Nickname field. Best wishes. -- Chucktalk Giffen♫ 00:52, 4 January 2008 (PST)
Category:Unknown
Hi Joachim. When it appears on a score page, the above category refers to the time period of the composer of the work (which is unknown) so please don't delete it from score pages unless you're replacing it with the correct period. I've restored the category where you've deleted it. Thanks --Bobnotts talk 00:29, 6 January 2008 (PST)
- Whoops. Sorry Rob. I'll look into them and sort them out correctly, this time. joachim 00:44, 6 January 2008 (PST)
Cherubic Hymn
Hi Joachim. I've just seen all of the pages that you've added the same text and translation to (thanks!) They would be best placed on a separate text page as there are so many pages which share the same text. Do you think the title Cherubic Hymn be appropriate? --Bobnotts talk 02:43, 7 January 2008 (PST)
- Hi Rob. I added the texts to the various pages because copy-paste was *way* easier than figuring out how to go about creating a text page. Besides, they weren't that many pages to edit. As far as a title is concerned, 'Cherubic Hymn' is English of course, whereas the original title would be something like 'Heruvimskaya pesn', with an extra apostrophe after the n (which I can't edit here, cause that results in italics). That may very well spark a debate about transliterating conventions (even more so if you take into account that many contributors still seem to think the text is Russian, which it isn't). I'm not sure about how this should be settled, I'll rely on your insights in both CPDL conventions and wiki-tradition. Speaking about Church Slavonic repertoire: Jos. H. Hindriks' scores have become unavailable, it would seem (I've checked on Sibeliusmusic.com; he's gone from there, too), so it's pretty unlikely any of those will come available again anytime soon. Is there a (deletion) policy about that on CPDL? Cordially, joachim 02:52, 7 January 2008 (PST)
- It'd have to be Heruvimskaya Pesn', with just the one apostrophe. If you create the page, I'll edit it further. Cordially, joachim 16:27, 7 January 2008 (PST)
- I've just created the page Heruvimskaya Pesn' and added a link to it from a couple of score pages (Cherubic Hymn (Heruvimska Pesma) (Stevan St. Mokranjac) and Cherubic Hymn (G major) (G. F. Lvovsky)). If someone disagrees with your transliteration later and the consensus falls on their side, the page can be easily moved. If you could add the text link templates to the score pages in question and provide links to them from Heruvimskaya Pesn' as you have been doing, that would be great. Thanks --Bobnotts talk 19:49, 7 January 2008 (PST)
Pcat
Hi Joachim! I see you're using Pcat a lot lately in Genre, and in fact I'm not sure of its advantage in pages that already have templates for it. If you edit a page that has, for instance:
- Genre: [[:Category:Sacred music|Sacred]], [[:Category:Motets|Motet]] <br>
and you change it to
- Genre: {{pcat|Sacred| music}}, {{pcat|Motet|s}} <br>
there will be no change at all in the way Genre shows or behaves. The only advantage would be that with your substitution, you could now also delete
- [[Category:Sacred music]][[Category:Motets]]
from the end of the page, since they will be redundant. But, isn't it too much of a work to obtain the same result? ;) Regards -- CarlosTalk 23:20, 8 April 2008 (PDT)
- Permit me to wade in here. Carlos is right about being able to delete the genre Category assignments when Pcat is used as in his example. I, too, use Pcat to replace what is already in the Genre fields, even when they are present (and I do indeed delete the corresponding Category assignments at the end of the page).
- I also use Cat for voicings ... such as {{Cat|SATB}} (and delete the voicing Category at the end) of the page. Of course, I do these things when I visit a page to "tidy" it up or "update" it, putting in templates Composer, net, pdf, mid, extpdf, extmid, Language, acap (or other accompaniment).
- All these things make a page not only shorter, but easier to read. And I don't mind the very small overhead in time required to make the Cat and Pcat replacements (having some standard replacements to copy and paste helps). At some point, the AddWorks form may implement some of these optimizations - or perhaps replace them with even better "code". -- Chucktalk Giffen♫ 23:43, 8 April 2008 (PDT)
I'm done with tidying and cats as long as there isn't a guideline as to how pages should look and what they should (not) contain. joachim 03:17, 9 April 2008 (PDT)
Reverting bot edits
Hi Joachim, thanks for trying to help the admins in reverting the spam edits. Unfortunately just removing the gibberish at the beginning of the pages isn't enough. If the page has non-ASCII characters, the bot edit will mess them up too, as happened on Tant que vivray (Claudin de Sermisy). To properly revert such edits, one has to open the page history, click on the last good revision, open it for editing an save it without doing anything. For admins it's a bit easier because we can revert such edits from a link on the recent changes page, without the need of all this. Thanks again. --Carlos huh? 18:09, 14 July 2008 (PDT)
