Talk:Salve Regina (Johann Michael Haydn)
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Salve Regina (Johann Michael Haydn) had better become a disambiguation page. The oldest contribution(s) is a chorale-like setting variously attributed to either of the Haydns, Georg Valentin Röder or Francesco Morlacchi; IMSLP lists it under the last named.
I've created work pages for 2 new editions by Malcolm Crowe, who points out that there are additional settings, MH 31-34.
Which is Manfred Hößl's CPDL31004? Richard Mix (talk) 10:16, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- There really shouldn't be any mystery about this.
- There are 17 Salve Regina settings altogether by Michael Haydn. I don't believe it will be useful to have separate pages for all of them, and would like to suggest that they can all be placed on one page. I plan to produce MuseScore/PDFs eventually of all of them (along with as many as possible of Michael Haydn's extensive catalogue of minor sacred choral works).
- Michael Haydn himself created a score of 6 of them (MH29-34) available in his autograph manuscript (BSB Mms 477) online at:
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0008/bsb00085086/images/ with recordings of all six available for purchase at http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Hungaroton/HCD32005.
- The MH catalogue numbers are from Charles Sherman and T Donley Thomas's thematic catalogue (1993) https://www.questia.com/read/72121350/johann-michael-haydn-1737-1806-a-chronological
, and are widely used (eg in YouTube).
- Manfred's is MH632.
Malcolm Crowe (talk) 18:42, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks, very enlightening (and part of the mystery for me is that Finale-reader doesn't work as advertised on my Mac).
- It's been traditional at CPDL for each work to have its own page with a standardized structure for info on voicing, language, genre &c that lists that work in various categories, i.e. Category:Votive antiphons. This structure has sometimes evolved in an ad hoc manner and improvements are always welcome for discussion, but one effect of your edit has been to drop Salve Regina from the list of works on the composer page Johann Michael Haydn, which relies on an automated function, SortWorks. I agree it's nice to see all settings listed on one page, but do you see some problem with the way this has been done for Salve Regina (Orlando di Lasso)? Richard Mix (talk) 04:28, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
The Orlando di Lasso page is certainly interesting - with all of the alphabetical sections for works in Latin, and the date annotations for disambiguation purposes. At least with Michael Haydn there is a system of numbering and maybe you and other folks at CPDL would appreciate the addition of MH numbers to the Johann Michael Haydn pages (I have worked out a lot of them)? I don't think the problem would be worse that with Orlando di Lasso. The MH numbers run up to MH838. Leaving out the symphonies, songs, lieder etc there would be 362 sacred works. I planned to focus on 180 shorter single sacred works, 118 or so never issued as printed works. As to why - MH's choral writing is mostly homophonic, to suit the inexpert choral forces available to him (time of Archbishop Colloredo). But actually that suits a great many choirs today... Let me know what you think. Malcolm Crowe (talk) 19:28, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
- I think you're right about homophony: I was shocked at how fast K 117 came together.
- Catalogue numbers do make for a tidier appearance, no doubt about that! Adding MH no.'s to Johann Michael Haydn's works would be fantastic if you're up for it; I'm still trying to round up pieces missing K and BWV numbers :-/ Richard Mix (talk) 02:00, 16 December 2016 (UTC)