Talk:Michel-Richard de Lalande
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According to both the Grove Dictionary and the "Quellen-Lexikon", the preferred form is "Michel-Richard de Lalande". Anyone against renaming the page to this form? —Carlos 23:27, 3 August 2011 (CDT)
- I agree, Carlos. I've always known this composer as "Lalande" Chucktalk Giffen♫ 00:06, 4 August 2011 (CDT)
- I've no objections - "Michel-Richard de Lalande" seems to be a better-established title. Cydonia 15:03, 4 August 2011 (CDT)
- Thank you both for your feedback, I'll proceed with the renaming then. —Carlos 22:43, 7 August 2011 (CDT)
- Sure: this can be handled with redirects, but for the record Baker's Dictionary, Anthony's French Baroque Music, Grout's Western Music and a local record store use the form I've always known. IMSLP uses Lalande, WP and Google favor Delalande, and the Berkeley University Music Library has slightly more titles using Delalande, catalogued under the Library of Congress standard entry "Lalande". Gallica should be decisive, and uses Lalande, but the volumes are bound as "Delalande". So let's have no more talk of 'canonical' forms please! ;-) Richard Mix 00:40, 8 August 2011 (CDT)
I noticed today the default sort is still my preferred "D"! Richard Mix (talk) 00:11, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- Out of curiosity, I checked the French Wikipedia article on him, which uses the same spelling as CPDL. There's a note there about his name:
- "Son nom a donné lieu aux orthographes les plus diverses : Delalande, De La Lande, de La Lande. Celle de la notice d'autorité de la Bibliothèque nationale de France utilisée par le Centre de musique baroque de Versailles est de Lalande. D'ailleurs, Catherine Massip a retrouvé son acte de mariage avec Anne Rebel précisant le nom du père Michel Delalande, selon lequel elle adopte Delalande pour son livre. Pourtant, il est facile à comprendre qu'à la cour de Versailles, étant originaire de la classe moyenne, l'on pût évoluer plus aisément sous le nom de De Lalande. Enfin, Lionel Sawkins souligne que Louis XIV lui-même l'appelait Lalande. En bref, s'il est né Michel-Richard Delalande, le compositeur s'appelait Lalande après être entré au service du roi, tout comme dans un grand nombre de documents. Ainsi, le Mercure galant utilise le nom Lalande en avril 1680. Donc, il vaut mieux continuer à utiliser le nom Lalande, d'après plusieurs musicologues dont Catherine Cessac, directrice du recherche au C.N.R.S. ainsi que l'atelier d'études du Centre de musique baroque de Versailles."
- "His name has given rise to the most diverse spellings: Delalande, De La Lande, de La Lande. The form on the authority record of the National Library of France, used by the Centre de musique baroque de Versailles, is de Lalande. Moreover, Catherine Massip has found his marriage certificate with Anne Rebel specifying his Father's name, Michel Delalande, according to which she [Massip] adopts Delalande for her book. However, it is easy to understand that at the court of Versailles, being from the middle class, one could evolve more easily under the name of De Lalande. Finally, Lionel Sawkins underlines that Louis XIV himself called him Lalande. In short, if he was born Michel-Richard Delalande, the composer was called Lalande after entering the service of the king, just as in a large number of documents. Thus, the Mercure galant uses the name Lalande in April 1680. Therefore, it is better to continue using the name Lalande, according to several musicologists including Catherine Cessac, director of research at the C.N.R.S. as well as the study workshop at the Centre de musique baroque de Versailles."
- In short, Delalande was his family name, but he adopted de Lalande as an "artistic name". We should respect the artist's will :) —Carlos (talk) 13:08, 8 December 2020 (UTC)